I'll take a stab at that. For a reliable near NA 700 hp, 8600 rpm, mass produced passenger car engine. What do I win ?
Most engines have intakes with a feature like that. Certainly the Voodoo and Coyote both do.
It's a really odd coincidence isn't it? Yes I think Jim Martin is a straight shooter, but normally it would be impossible for me to believe that both Ford and Chevy independently decided to create a FPC V8 engine at virtually the same time. After 60 years of V8s none of them FPC, suddenly they do the same thing together? It's like being told someone flipped a coin and it landed on its edge, neither heads nor tails. Or being told someone at Ford and someone at Chevy both did it at the same time.Without taking into consideration any time for R&D of Ford's 5.2L FPC engine and the subsequent launch of their 50th Anniversary Shelby GT350/R's which was in July, 2015 are you telling us that GM and Chevrolet may have come up with the idea of developing and engineering a FPC engine for their 2023 Z06 Corvette prior to Ford coming up with that same idea for their 2015 GT350/R?
With that being the case why has it taken GM and the Corvette Team some 8 years to develop and engineer their 5.5L FPC engine and over 9 years to actually launch a FPC engine in their 2023 Corvette?
I find it interesting that after Ford and the Flat Rock Assembly Plant had already produced some ~24,200 GT350/R's over 6 model years (2015 - 2020) we have someone from GM coming onto this Shelby GT350 Mustang Forum and stating that GM had possibly initiated this FPC initiative before Ford did even though it is going to take Chevrolet some 9 years to actually provide a FPC powered vehicle that will finally be available for sale to the general public.
Then again maybe there was some collaboration between Ford and GM at about the same time way back in 2013 that very few individuals are aware of?
BTW, I know that I am not very intelligent but please clarify what is an FTC?
Almost.. here's XP-836 beside a 64 Mustang. The Camaro was in development right before the Mustang was introduced.
Fixed that for you.Almost.. here's XP-836 beside a 64 Mustang. The Camaro was in development right after the Mustang was introduced.
Fixed that for you.
I've driven several gt350's, no R's though so I would say I'm very informed. While the voodoo is a fun engine, I personally would never own one. I know of too many friends that have had horror stories while owning them. You'll notice that most gt350 / gt350r don't tend to hold onto them past warranty. There is a reason for that.
You sound like:
By 2010, GM was on the path of having the 7th generation Corvette introduced as a mid-engine car, debuting sometime around 2012 or 13. It was in active development. At the time I was in GM Powertrain Product Portfolio Planning and we were planning the engine options for C7 mid-engine. I was leading the Competitor Intelligence activity. GM filed bankruptcy in 2010. Corvette got cancelled at least twice that year. GM convinced the Automotive Task Force that it was a product worth keeping in the portfolio and it came back in, but as a major upgrade to the Y1XX platform, as opposed to a new mid-engine car, and delayed until 2014 MY instead of 2012/13 for a mid-engine. So original plan had an FPC engine in Corvette coming in before 2015 GT350.
It very well could be true that GM was working on Project Panther (project name for Camaro) before Mustang was introduced. The Detroit area is so concentrated with automotive Planning and Engineering people that it is not uncommon for info to sneak out from under the blankets. But knowing GM’s bean-counter mentality of those days, it’s likely that the project got moth-balled or couldn’t make a business case. Then when Mustang landed, that would have been enough incentive to dust it off and bring it to market.
Pretty simple from my standpoint as it was either Ford or GM who first came up with the idea with respect to designing, engineering and building a FPC engine for one of their high performance models as it just does not happen simultaneously.I am telling you that GM came up with the idea of an FPC V8 engine for the mid engine C8 independently and long before Ford’s use of an FPC V8 for GT350 became common knowledge. Keep in mind if you will, that C7 was originally intended to be mid-engine before GM had to deal with bankruptcy. It would have launched in 2012 or 13, but bankruptcy delayed the vehicle and forced investment reduction that pushed the mid-engine clean sheet of paper approach back a generation, even though the development work had already started.
It didn’t. The engine has been ready for a couple years. A lot of the timing was thrown off because of the bankruptcy. Development of the car stopped and transitioned back to front engine for the 2014 C7 launch. But the engine development didn’t have to stop. It slowed down, but it didn’t stop. Then the engine went into Motorsports. C8.R. Been there for about two championship years. It theoretically could have been in the vehicle at launch, but that’s not the way Corvette launches vehicles. Base (Stingray) first, then Z06, then Grand Sport (or E-Ray if they stick with that stupid name), then ZR1 and/or Zora.
Believe what you want. I’ve actually been a part of this board (officially) for a couple years. Unofficially for much longer. I’m here because I like Mustangs and have actually owned more Mustangs than Corvettes and Camaros combined over my many years at GM. But as far as C8 and 5.5L development, I was there through it all (until I retired in’17) so I do know of what I speak. To be honest, the Corvette team was very much not interested in what my team brought to them regarding Mustang. Camaro team? Very interested. Corvette team? “Good to know…now about that Ferrari?” The Powertrain team, like my own, operated across both teams, so they were at least interested in Voodoo, but not nearly to the level that they were into the Ferrari V8.
Nope. Just transmissions. And even then, there was never full disclosure between the two companies. Ford had no idea GM was working on a heavy duty version for ZL1 that would launch before everything else.
An FTC is a typo. Or Federal Trade Commission. Pick yer poison
Makes sense to me. The FPC was an idea floating around. Like how Iacoca had the mini-van idea at Ford. Makes sense if people were talking mid-engine Corvette they would also talk FPC as a possible option.
You are definitely a GM guy through and through.
Then perhaps you'd be happier spending your time and energy on a forum not dedicated to it?
