Why DIDN'T you get a camaro?

[AlmostFamous]

Thanks for pointing that out.

Not only does the sun visor not block any sun nor have a cover for the mirror, you can barely see out the front window with it down. It serves zero purpose.

 

[NoVaGT]

i would say a good majority of mustang owners didnt even look at camaros or anything dodge offers......

I'd think the opposite. I think most people test-drive at least one or two other competitive vehicles before they buy.

Don't think like a forum enthusiast, think like a normal person that just wants to buy a "fun" car that they can drive every day.

 

[Zelek]

I had the 2016 Camaro SS and 2016 Mustang GT PP side by side because the dealership I went to sold both cars. I was really looking forward to the redesigned 2016 Camaro with the new engine and complete redesign and being a fan and owner of previous Camaros. I cannot believe how let down I was with the Camaro. That interior was a major turn off. It was fast and handled well, but I felt like I was in a claustrophobic cockpit driving it.

I drove the Mustang and I just smiled. From the sound, the presentation, looks, feel, drivability. The rest was history and I ordered one the next year as you can see. This is a realistic approach to how most people buy these cars. People who read magazines and want pure performance don't care about the small nitpicks and just make it work regardless. This is my first Mustang and likely won't be my last one after the experience I've been having with mine. I love it.

 

[AlmostFamous]

When my wife got her current job, she wanted to get a car as a reward (like you do). She was only interested in a sports coupe, with the Mustang the immediate first choice. We still research the segment across multiple manufacturers. The answer always came up Mustang in every comparison. The only other car that even came close was the Challenger, and the test drive disabused us of that notion.

Out of curiosity, which model did you and your wife test drive? From 2015-2017, I regularly traveled with my job and rented countless 5.7L and 6.4L Challengers. While I obviously liked the 6.4L Scatpack more, I thought the 5.7L was still a fun practical vehicle that handled well for its size. I had a car accident last year and was given a V6 Challenger as a rental. First time driving a V6 model and it was like a completely different vehicle. If I closed my eyes, it was like I was driving a 1980s era Buick. Ridiculous body roll and floaty with zero road feedback.

 

[Adamone92]

I'd think the opposite. I think most people test-drive at least one or two other competitive vehicles before they buy.

Don't think like a forum enthusiast, think like a normal person that just wants to buy a "fun" car that they can drive every day.

thats exactly why i said what i said. I figure most people that end up in the mustang that arent a forum enthusiast, go to the ford dealership and see the mustang and think it looks nice, see an ad for a mustang and think it looks nice, had a mom or dad or brother that owned a mustang before, originally went in for a fusion but got talked into the mustang by a salesperson telling them its fun and fairly practical..etc etc. I feel like a lot of those scenarios are most likely. I think IF they did consider the camaro, it may have screamed sports car a little more than they wanted, whereas the mustang looks sporty but still fairly laid back.

im just spit balling here, you may be correct. just some things to think about.

 

[Adamone92]

If I closed my eyes, it was like I was driving a 1980s era Buick. Ridiculous body roll and floaty with zero road feedback.

i agree completely, and i drove a couple scatpacks and a hellcat.

 

[WhinRR]

One simply cannot replicate the sound of an FPC Voodoo.

I think Chevy’s sound better tbh. Much deeper

 

[Dave2013M3]

I didn't get a Camaro because I don't look good with a mullet. J/K, if I buy American it will always be a Ford. Not to disparage other US makes just my dad worked for Ford for almost all of my life and I was 2 years old riding in the back of a 67 Mustang GT that my dad had as a demo.

 

[Copperhead73]

thats exactly why i said what i said. I figure most people that end up in the mustang that arent a forum enthusiast, go to the ford dealership and see the mustang and think it looks nice, see an ad for a mustang and think it looks nice, had a mom or dad or brother that owned a mustang before, originally went in for a fusion but got talked into the mustang by a salesperson telling them its fun and fairly practical..etc etc. I feel like a lot of those scenarios are most likely. I think IF they did consider the camaro, it may have screamed sports car a little more than they wanted, whereas the mustang looks sporty but still fairly laid back.

im just spit balling here, you may be correct. just some things to think about.

That might be the case with the 4cyl cars, but I don't think it is that way for GTs and up. I doubt many went into the Chebby dealership looking at Malibus and leaving with Camaros. It will be interesting to see how it works next year. I don't think Ford has another car in the their lineup beyond Mustang. Probably only a small percentage looking at Trucks and SUV's and leaving with a car.

 

[stanger1]

This is getting a little off the topic, but I still remember the day I test drove one of the first 2011 Mustang GT with the New Coyote engine and it seriously had just came in.
I was not even looking for a car as I had my 2006 F150 and I was at the dealership for a recall. I noticed the new Mustang and the Salesman asked, You want to drive it! Hell Yes.
So after that, I came home that day with a New 2011 Mustang GT with Roush Cat Back. One of the first in town. Talk about people looking and asking questions about the then new, 5.0 Coyote.
Sorry to get off track but a great memory..

 

[Adamone92]

That might be the case with the 4cyl cars, but I don't think it is that way for GTs and up. I doubt many went into the Chebby dealership looking at Malibus and leaving with Camaros. It will be interesting to see how it works next year. I don't think Ford has another car in the their lineup beyond Mustang. Probably only a small percentage looking at Trucks and SUV's and leaving with a car.

Oh of course. But id wager less of the non enthusiasts are buying the gt than the ecoboost. Although i havent looked up comparative sales numbers to be certain.

 

[ice445]

My money would be on the EB's more going to fleet sales.

Ironically most convertible GT's are made for the rental market. Very few verts are sold new to normal customers. People just love the fastback apparently. What's also interesting is the GT has a 50% manual take rate which is really high in the industry.

 

[GT 550]

Try this with me. Say the following words out loud:

Bald Eagle
Apple pie
Mustang

Now try these:

Bald Eagle
Apple pie
Camaro

I don't think any other car fits in that third spot better than the Mustang.

Kangaroo
Meat pie
Mustang

Kangaroo
Meat pie
Camaro

Meh still doesn't fit that well.

 

[ice445]

Kangaroo
Meat pie
Mustang

Kangaroo
Meat pie
Camaro

Meh still doesn't fit that well.

I can't wait to visit Australia and finally experience a proper meat pie.

 

[Hack]

Yes, but also no. A NASCAR engine's lifespan is measured in events, or hours. Lol. The problem with revving the nuts off an OHV engine is that the reciprocating mass of the pushrods and lifters is substantial and produces extreme wear on the entire valvetrain. That's why OEM's won't do it, it just won't last. In a DOHC engine, the camshaft is directly acting on the valve spring. In an OHV engine, the camshaft is exerting mechanical leverage from afar through a lifter and a pushrod/rocker arm. Accelerating all those extra parts takes more time, and more force. High angular acceleration = bad for longevity. Unless I'm missing a particularly clever design that is high revving but also reliable, in which case feel free to make me look silly.

It is ugly, but it's also cool looking. I feel like that is a reasonable compromise. There's not one traditionally beautiful element in its design, it's all angry angles. But because of that, it looks kinda like an alien spaceship and is therefore cool.

I was just saying that an OHV engine can be free revving. I agree that NASCAR race engines have a short life, but they rev really high as in 10,000 RPM, not just kind of high like 7,000 or 7,400 RPM. An OHV valvetrain can live a long time with a 7,400 RPM red line.

I'm pretty sure that if you try to rev a Coyote or Voodoo to 10,000 RPM and maximum load it won't have a long lifespan either. But I 100% agree with your main point that the weight of the complex valve train on a pushrod engine is a liability at high RPM.

I'd think the opposite. I think most people test-drive at least one or two other competitive vehicles before they buy.

Don't think like a forum enthusiast, think like a normal person that just wants to buy a "fun" car that they can drive every day.

I think you're right. I think most people who would buy a fun car like a Mustang are people that enjoy driving and will test drive a few other cars even if they think buying is a long shot. I drove a Challenger not thinking I would like it as much as I did. At one time I test drove (and was very impressed by) a V6 Camaro. I think the V6 in the Camaro was better at the time than the V6 in the Mustang. But I ended up buying a Mustang that time around. I've test driven quite a few Camaros over the years. I've never ended up buying one, but generally I'm interested. I like to have variety in cars, but I've never wanted variety quite enough to end up in a Camaro.