Anyone put a Engine Pre-Oiler on their car

[Rapid Red]

If starting your engine normally was a problem, we'd know by now. It's been decades.

Just relax. Stop obsessing. Just enjoy driving your car.

If you can't stop obsessing, devise a way to change the oil in 2 minutes. Some sort of E-Z drain system. That way you can change your oil every time you drive the car, and never have to worry about your motor.

Oh yeah I saw that, put a 10qt oil drum on the hood,. Like an intravenous feeding tube down in to the pan. Just refill as needed, slick

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[WildHorse]

Ok.. it basically takes oil like 5 mins to drain back to the pan when warm. After an hour or so there won't be anymore drain back. I've taken apart engines that's been sitting for 20+ years and believe me, the cam / cam journals, crank main/rod journals, lifters. cylinder walls, etc, etc still has oil. There was even a good amount of oil still in the oil pump. Leave the pre oilers & oil heaters to F1 cars.. but hey it's your money.

 

[NoVaGT]

We all know the feels.....

Just dial it back a bit.

 

[Rapid Red]

It is a slippery slope, each side has an opinion and it's being expressed, all good.


Got no horse in this race

 

[Zooks527]

Got no horse in this race

But do you have a dog in the hunt? ;)

 

[Bulldog9]

Hi. Has anyone installed a Pre-Oiler system on their engine. I am going to make a kit which will supply oil pressure to the engine to about 40psi before allowing the starter circuit to start the engine. It will also activate and supply oil pressure to the engine during emergency or sudden loss of oil pressure. Thank you for your help

Years ago I did on my Saab 900T. Plumbed the pump into the external oil filter plumbing. It pre and post oiled the motor and turbo. I imagine is possible on the S550, but modern motors have decent lubrication systems. May be more important for flat tappet motors.

 

[DougS550]

Please see updated post #2.


Yes. Following your post, I went out and tried it in my truck. The ECU logic appears to have changed, at least in that one. I have corrected post #2 as a result. I will also update #2 after I try it on my Mustang.

Years ago I did on my Saab 900T. Plumbed the pump into the external oil filter plumbing. It pre and post oiled the motor and turbo. I imagine is possible on the S550, but modern motors have decent lubrication systems. May be more important for flat tappet motors.

My concern really wasn't with Pee-Lubing engine prior to each start because, Yes, newer engines and oils are so much more advanced now days.
I was more of thinking for high HP FI engines emergency oil supply system. I was just wondering. Thank you for your help

 

[Hack]

There's a company that makes these pre-oiler units. I've considered one - not for cold start but for road course situations where the oil pickup might come uncovered during a corner. I don't worry about start up because as others have mentioned, our cars last for many years and hundreds of thousands of miles without being prelubed during start up.

However, at high RPM with a hot engine under load - that's when I would worry about a low oil pressure situation. I think most of our cars are fine and this would only occur on a road course with aftermarket sticky tires. Even then it may not happen depending on the corner slope, etc. Like I said, I've considered it but I haven't gotten past just thinking about it. I doubt that I need it.

 

[NoVaGT]

My concern really wasn't with Pee-Lubing engine prior to each start because, Yes, newer engines and oils are so much more advanced now days.
I was more of thinking for high HP FI engines emergency oil supply system. I was just wondering. Thank you for your help

Please don't pee-lube your motor.

Pee isn't much good substituting for motor oil.

 

[mustanghammer]

Is there evidence of oiling issues with the Coyote on a race track?

If we were discussing Windsor 302s then there is a case for an road race oil pan and a Canton Accusump. Those engines had real oiling issues on a racetrack. One those engines with a stock pan and a hydraulic cam could be oiled starved on an autox course.

The only way to know if this is an issue is to track oil pressure while on track. I have a big LED low oil pressure light on my race car. It lights up when pressure drops below 20PSI.

 

[Bulldog9]

There's a company that makes these pre-oiler units. I've considered one - not for cold start but for road course situations where the oil pickup might come uncovered during a corner. I don't worry about start up because as others have mentioned, our cars last for many years and hundreds of thousands of miles without being prelubed during start up.

However, at high RPM with a hot engine under load - that's when I would worry about a low oil pressure situation. I think most of our cars are fine and this would only occur on a road course with aftermarket sticky tires. Even then it may not happen depending on the corner slope, etc. Like I said, I've considered it but I haven't gotten past just thinking about it. I doubt that I need it.

This make no sense. If the oil pickup in the sump loses oil supply due to hard cornering, where would this secondary pump system pickup the oil? The Coyote and Voodoo engines have deep sumps/pans, and with 10 quart capacity, so this is very unlikely with the stock baffles and windage tray, but you could fit a dry sump pan and oil tank reservoir or an accusump that keeps a pressurized reserve of oil in cases of starvation. I had one of these on my Saab as well, was a 3 quart capacity if I remember.

But IMO, this is unnecessary when looking at the stock pickup and pan. Even the GT350 R uses the same pan and pickup as the Coyote. The only way I can see the pickup going dry is if you were extremely low on oil and doing extreme cornering. This pic is from an 11 to 17 Coyote. You can see where the pickup sits, and the baffle/tray that surrounds and traps oil from sloshing out.

 

[Vlad Soare]

Reading a statement aren't really dry, implies isn't really wet.

Being sarcastic.... so will continue to spin my isn't really dry - not really wet motor.

Fair enough. But on the other hand, it doesn't actually need to be really wet. As long as it's moist it will be fine.

 

[shogun32]

clutch in, gas on the floor, hit the starter. It'll dry crank continuously the live long day until you back off the gas and then the injectors fire and the engine lights off.
'19 GT

 

[Doc2020GT]

Fair enough. But on the other hand, it doesn't actually need to be really wet. As long as it's moist it will be fine.

That’s what she said.

 

[oneheadlite]

...I didn't think a Ford needed any help oiling anything..........

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