anyone driven both a Hellion Twin AND a Whipple?

[doccoch]

Never heard of this before, do you foresee this tech going into other companies? or has a lot of cons?

it's been around a long time. I truly don't know why it's not used more????

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[doccoch]

Given that your car is a manual, personally, I’d take the Whipple. Turbos are sweet on an auto, but the game is slightly different for a manual.
Each to their own of course, but the majority of the responses you’ll get here won’t even factor the transmission type into the equation.
Food for thought if nothing else.

interesting

 

[doccoch]

so I am not a drager. I want an awesome very quick street car with max acceleration (whatever tire will allow). On highway, I want quick speed to pass fast and furious. I don't care to go much over 100 but I want to get there quickly

 

[ENPhoto]

so I am not a drager......I don't care to go much over 100 but I want to get there quickly

Driving around town and romping to 100?

Never really exceed 100MPH?

Manual Transmission?


My vote is to stick with a Supercharger, for your needs.

 

[robertwsimpson]

I just put a Whipple on my 17GT and it is for sure a handfull even with 305 tires in the back.

I will say that I am surprised at how the power pours on with RPMs. Everyone says that the whipple is instant power, but from my experience, it doesn't feel that way. Definitely feels more linear than turbos, but if I roll onto the throttle in 3rd gear at 4k rpms, I have traction until about 6500 and then it just tears the back tires loose. it's surprising and frankly a little bit scary to lose traction at like 80mph.

My only experience with a turbo was my Mazdaspeed3. It felt like a turbo... little bit of lag, but big power when the turbo spins up. Obviously not as much as a 5.0 with a turbo, but you can understand the drive.

Either is fun, and either will definitely make you consider drag radials (or bias plys since you're an MT like me) if you're not already...

 

[robertwsimpson]

I love Mazda's new lineup, but I hate their apparent disdain for the Speed series (called it "childish"). If they had put out an AWD turbo Mazda3/6, I would be driving that instead of the Charger. They seem allergic to making a sports/sporty car right now.

I loved the speed3. I had an intake and intercooler and it went 13.3 and was 100% a reliable daily and super practical. More cars should be like that!

 

[5ohh_kenny]

it's been around a long time. I truly don't know why it's not used more????

Complexity. Automakers have one thing in mind when designing a car... Profit.

If your interested in twin charging done right checkout banks power on youtube. He is building a 1k+hp whipple/precision duramax for a monster truck.

 

[olaosunt]

Given that your car is a manual, personally, I’d take the Whipple. Turbos are sweet on an auto, but the game is slightly different for a manual.
Each to their own of course, but the majority of the responses you’ll get here won’t even factor the transmission type into the equation.
Food for thought if nothing else.

Exactly .
I had an On3 TT on one my cars with MT82 . It was okay but It’s much better now with KB (also swapped to a Magnum ).
I have a Hellion on another car with a built 6r80 and I agree the TT is much better with an auto .
I have Whipple’s on both my GT 350 and 2018 A10.
The A10 /18 is of cause faster at the drag strip but 1/2 the fun in the street .

 

[Bald Menace]

I'm agonizing over this same set of choices right now. I like the idea of instant off idle torque of the Whipple and that Beefcake dude has one hell of a deal going on them right now. but I love the concept on the fly adjustability of the Hellion as well as the sleeper portion. nothing like blowing some dudes doors clean off after he looks under your hood and thinks you're bone stock. I'm having a very hard time deciding

 

[XS]

Given that your car is a manual, personally, I’d take the Whipple. Turbos are sweet on an auto, but the game is slightly different for a manual.
Each to their own of course, but the majority of the responses you’ll get here won’t even factor the transmission type into the equation.
Food for thought if nothing else.

Great advice. The only way to stay in boost with a turbo manual car is a no-lift-shift tune/software. So that's something to add to the cost of the build if you go that route. Losing boost between shifts isn't the end of the world mind you, it just changes the experience.

 

[raptor17GT]

if you're in the rev range for the turbos to be working, you are not going to lose much response time in the gear shift transition. Sure, if you're racing it might be a disadvantage but on the road, doubt you'd notice. Turbo's you can adjust boost up or down depending on your mood, superchargers you have only your right foot to control boost. Is either one better than the other, depends on what OP wants to do with their car

 

[engineermike]

I’m not sure it’s totally on subject, but I think it’s worth mentioning that the turbo has thermodynamic advantages. They add exhaust pressure, which reduces power but not as much as taking power off the crank. This could be especially helpful on the gen3 coyote which inherently limits boost level due to the 12/1 compression ratio. If you could make as much power at 6 psi as a supercharger does at 10, then 6 should be safer and ultimately more reliable. Conversely, if both kits make 10 psi then the turbo will make quite a bit more power. There are reliability disadvantages of a turbo as well.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

It's complicated and expensive. Id expect all the usual added maintenance challenges for both types of FI. They've even added a hybrid setup to the latest version of the powertrain. That one puts out 600 hp combined. I don't even want to think about what on out of warranty repair would cost, but that's true of all luxury brands.

My wife has a 2016 Volvo XC90 T6 AWD. That's the twincharged engine (supercharged + turbocharged). In base form it makes 316 hp. It's a 2.0 liter 4-cylinder but you'd never know it. Supercharger for the instant low end torque, and the turbo for mid/higher engine speeds. That car is very nice, high quality interior, and looks great for a 3-row SUV (the RWD style architecture is much more attractive than FWD architecture).

Thankfully, we bought it used certified a couple of years ago, so the full warranty is extended to 7 years, so I have a few more years left of warranty.

I will say that my Volvo dealer is awesome to work with. They give us brand new loaded XC90s as loaners for free for the day just for an oil change or other maintenance work. My wife asked them why, and they said it's basically marketing for them. The last one had about 150 miles on it.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

I loved the speed3. I had an intake and intercooler and it went 13.3 and was 100% a reliable daily and super practical. More cars should be like that!

Yes, I had a 2007 Speed3 that I bought new and kept for over 11 years. I put a CAI, tune, and 2nd cat delete race pipe (still had the first cat). It ran really good, and when I sold it after buying my Mustang, it was in like new condition (or as immaculate as a car could be that is 11 years old) It had around 70k miles IIRC. Garage kept both at home and work for nearly the entirety of those 11+ years. I really enjoyed having that car.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

so I am not a drager. I want an awesome very quick street car with max acceleration (whatever tire will allow). On highway, I want quick speed to pass fast and furious. I don't care to go much over 100 but I want to get there quickly

Since you don't take it to the track, and are generally potentially racing or getting on it at lower speeds on the street, unless you get some serious tire, a high powered Whipple or TT kit will simply overwhelm and spin your tires on the street. You might have better luck with a low boost system for the street.

If you do decide on a high powered system, keep in mind that a taller tire is better for straight line traction than a wider tire. A tall, wide tire, would be ideal. The larger diameter tire means more surface area on the street (the arc of the tire is flatter).

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