2020 GT500 CFTP Destroys C8 Corvette - Motortrend Comparison Review

[thill444]

And that is where the value per dollar gets hard to evaluate in these discussions. Any one that has been in the game for awhile knows it will be a pain the ADM ass to get your hands on Ford’s special Mustangs/GT generally speaking. If you wait for Chev/BMWs and others new cars they will be discounted fairly quickly if one waits.

Agreed about the manual. I was disappointed to read it wouldn’t be offered in a manual. Also disappointed it come with the Fusion like gear shifter and not even a grip that you can shift with if you don’t like using the paddles for manual shifts.

The Corvette and the Mustang has never competed, it was always a win for Corvette. The soon to be LT5 755hp Camaro will be the direct competitor to the GT500 but a lot lighter.

The rumors I saw said GM may put the Camaro out to pasture. Gen6 could be it for awhile.

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[roygriffin2020]

This is coming from someone that ran a 11.8 in a automatic ZL1. An 11.8 is cumming in your pants. When your alone.

Then your time sucks and you are a 2nd grader. Here is what a real man drove. He must have even been a fat ass, as the weight was 4225 with driver.

Are you a lardass too?

http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Camaro-Timeslip-29217.html

 

[roygriffin2020]

They have no idea what they are doing.
We all know the GT500 runs 10.6 or better in the quarter mile.

Different day, different driver. Doesn't count

 

[roygriffin2020]

The rumors I saw said GM may put the Camaro out to pasture. Gen6 could be it for awhile.

Keep thinking that

 

[nastang87xx]

TLDR.

Anyway, I banged a girl with fake bewbs for the first time. As I suspected, fake ones are not my thing.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Then your time sucks and you are a 2nd grader. Here is what a real man drove. He must have even been a fat ass, as the weight was 4225 with driver.

Are you a lardass too?

http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Camaro-Timeslip-29217.html

LOL Your slip?....... I didnt think so.But go ahead and make me up a tall tale of your accomplishments. I love those stories. Seriously what kind of retard. Posts a 10.9 slip. While making fun of a 9 second slip?

 

[Hack]

It is the height of fanboism to think they didn't have it setup for this test. Every manufacturer does to some degree or another. Or like coughFerraricough they just don't let their cars be in these tests.

I'd disagree with this. To me it sounds like sour grapes to say that the Ford must have been setup for track if it beat the Z51 C8. Kind of seems like someone has a closed mind or a prejudice of what they want to believe.

I think if the GT500 was set up with a crazy track alignment MotorTrend would have said so. IMO that's the most logical and non-biased position to have. They explained what had to be done to the Corvette in pretty clear terms and it was pretty clearly stated that the base GT500 is 3 or 4 seconds faster than the C8 if they both have a "normal" alignment.

Heck, you can just look at the C8 and see how "bow legged" the front tires look. And then look at the GT500 and it's obviously not setup that way. I know I've seen photos of the C8 that demonstrate how crazy the track alignment is.

I hate Ford hence why I have a 19 F150 (3 previous F150s) and owned 2 GT350s, a Focus ST. I. Probably forgetting a Ford in there and not to mention many other brands. I actually hate GM so go figure.

I hate how lax Ford has become with their QC/reliability and CS. They are replacing engines at a high rate across the line of their cars/trucks. I loved my GT350 and would’ve never gotten rid of it if both of mine weren’t pieces of shit in that regard.

Where did I say I was upset about that? You guys make me laugh. When are you getting your GT500 and posting your videos of kill after kill on track?

When the Z06 beats the GT500 on track what will all of you guys say? It’s evolution and the game that has been played for decades between manufacturers. Of course the GT500 beats the ZL1, just as it beat the GT350. And on and on.

I always like to see when you post here. It sucked that you had such bad luck with your 2 different GT350s that both engines drank oil. I can see where that would have left a bad taste in your mouth and possibly even some anger towards Ford. I know I had a lot of anger when I bought the most track capable Mustang ever and it over heated on track super fast. Since then I've seen that Chevy sometimes does that kind of stuff as well. There's a film online of the C5 Z06 supposedly on track for hours with no problems. Mine got hot really fast. Oh well - getting a little off topic now.

I have to admit that Voodoo reliability entered into my head when I decided to sell the GT350 and get a Z06.

Any who - so you got rid of the BMW and bought a ZL1 1LE. Very cool! When did you pick it up? Had it at a track yet?

 

[Braski]

They have no idea what they are doing.
We all know the GT500 runs 10.6 or better in the quarter mile.

Was a better than 10.6 run made? Just making sure I didn't miss anything while I've been busy searching for a msrp deal!

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Keep thinking that

Its all but a done deal roy.

Was a better than 10.6 run made? Just making sure I didn't miss anything while I've been busy searching for a msrp deal!

Has to be done by motor trend. Or it don't count.

 

[obspsd]

Was a better than 10.6 run made? Just making sure I didn't miss anything while I've been busy searching for a msrp deal!

No.
10.61 is still the fastest so far.
10.66 by Speed Phenom
Speed Phenom is the only owner that has drag raced his GT500 that I know of.

 

[6String]

It's a fun comparison, but not particularly useful or meaningful. For all practical purposes, they aren't retail competitors since the GT500 is essentially unavailable to most people due to low production and asinine markups (which then takes the GT500's price materially higher than a nice $70-$75K C8 z51).

I agree with your basic premise. It is a fun comparison, but not particularly useful. Here's where you lose me. I have seen the number$59,995 (rounded to $60k) for a C8, which is cheaper than the base $60,440 for the base GT 350 (but only one of those cars has magnaride and four seats). Here's the problem. I have yet to see a base C8 review--not even a review with the $70k-$75K price you quote--though I am pretty sure if you are cautious with options you might configure one for that price.

However, review after review, has included the Z51 and other options. The price AS TESTED in more than one review was greater than $80K, and in at least two reviews (3LT/Z51) the price as tested was over $88,000. $88K is materially more than a base GT 500. In fact that isn't too far removed from the price of the GT 500 with the CFTP..

At that price ($88K) the C8 is still an excellent bang for the bucks, (in my opinion). But, if you are shopping for a 2-seat, mid-engine sports car, comparing the C8 and a Mustang is an apples to oranges comparo. I like both, but the obvious (apples to apples) comparison would be Porsche, not Mustang.

 

[millhouse]

What MT Posted is the the C8 was faster in the 1/4 mile @11.1 sec.

But the Mustang guys said the ZL1 has 650hp and the GT350 only had 526hp so of course the ZL1 will win. Now it is the other way around. The GT500 has 265hp more horsepower and it barely beat the C8.

Re-read my post. Notice the word dragstrip? The C8 is going to get demolished at the local 1/4 mile...where sticky rubber and VHT are the real equalizer. You know, the place where you can run the 1/4 mile legally?

Then your time sucks and you are a 2nd grader. Here is what a real man drove. He must have even been a fat ass, as the weight was 4225 with driver.

Are you a lardass too?

http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Camaro-Timeslip-29217.html

So the fastest stock ZL1 time ever ran in -1500 da is 0.3 seconds slower than what a new driver in a barely broken in car can run in positive da with a GT500? You aren't helping yourself here.

 

[02gtnh]

That’s why I like MacMulkin. No ADM on any Corvette and no dealer fees and it’s 3 hours from my house. Honestly I like my manuals so I’m not sure I’m ready to give it up for a GT500 or C8 Z06. At the rate C7 Z06’s are dropping they could be a huge bargain as long as I get a manual. Or ZR1. Prices are really dropping on those too.

Macmulkin is where I got mine. Great service and prices. There only 30 min away

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

One thing no one has mentioned is the CFTP GT500 only ran a skid pad of 1.05 g, while the PP2 ran 1.13 g with the Cup 2 tires in the H2H vs. the SS 1LE (which gripped 1.11 g) from C&D over the summer. Again, due to the timing, the 1/4 mile times, skid pad, and the track times will be greatly affected by cool December pavement testing protocols, in cool weather. I put Michelin Pilot All seasons 3+ on my GT last week and it grips much better on cold, dry pavement than my Pilot Sport 4S tires could ever dream of. I would think if this test was in May, the skid pad numbers, acceleration times, and track times would be better. For comparison, the '19 GT350 gripped at 1.09 g per C&D.

Anyway, that said, the base GT500 with street alignment destroys the mid-engine Corvette Z51 with street alignment; by over 4 seconds and possibly up to 5 seconds on a 2 min track. That means the base GT500 would lap the C8 after 25-30 laps. Sure it has more power, but that didn't matter when the ZL1 took on the GT350 to GM fans. And surprise, the torque discrepancy is much less between the C8 and the GT500 compared to the GT350 and the ZL1. The ZL1 has more torque than the GT500, and the LT2 has more torque than the Voodoo. Also, the C8 also has the massive advantage of mid engine chassis, which helps put the power down much more efficiently than a FE RWD car.

Full disclaimer, I love the Corvette, always have, always will. But the base GT500 rips the Z51 C8 a new one. And then introduce the CFTP GT500, the C8 Z06 needs to come out just for the mid-engined Corvette to compete with the top dog Mustang. And I suspect the C8 Z06 will be more expensive than the CFTP GT500.

Regarding weight, Motortrend weighed the GT500s:

Base GT500: 4,149 lbs
CFTP GT500: 4,054 lbs

I guarantee an LT5 powered ZL1 will weigh more than the current ZL1 auto, which is 3,944 lbs. and about 3,900 lbs for the ZLE auto. An LT5 ZL1 would probably weigh about 50-60 lbs heavier just to cover the beefier drivetrain and additional cooling required. Add in a DCT which is heavier than a torque converter auto., and that would be another 50-75 lbs., adding ~100-125 lbs to the current ZL1. That puts an LT5 powered ZLE at 4,000-4,025 lbs, which is only 25-50 lbs lighter than the CFTP GT500, and the ZL1 at about 4,044-4,069 lbs, about 80-100 lbs lighter than the base GT500.

 

[roygriffin2020]

Re-read my post. Notice the word dragstrip? The C8 is going to get demolished at the local 1/4 mile...where sticky rubber and VHT are the real equalizer. You know, the place where you can run the 1/4 mile legally?



So the fastest stock ZL1 time ever ran in -1500 da is 0.3 seconds slower than what a new driver in a barely broken in car can run in positive da with a GT500? You aren't helping yourself here.

I was not trying to help myself, I was telling BlueDevil about his crappy 11.6 time. try to keep up

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