C8 just got crushed and humiliated by the GT500

[martinjlm]

Why are we seeing ZR1 info before the Z06? Usually they put the Z06 out first. Are they possibly skipping it over this time?

Not at all. Because it is an entirely new platform, engineers have been co-developing them. They have to prepare the platform to be able to handle the most extreme applications. You’ve no doubt heard the stories about frame twisting and glass breaking on dyno. That was the ZR1 being tested. And if the MT article is right with their claim that they were told that the combined output is about 900 hp, it would indicate that the output has actually been dialed back a bit from what was being tested when frames were twisted and glass was shattered.

Z06 will still get to market first, but ZR1 specs need to be defined in order to nail down the platform.

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[4V Mayhem]

0-60 does nothing to measure how fast you can merge on a highway. People don't start at a dead stop on an entrance ramp. They don't engage launch control. Throwing it out there, true 0-60 runs on public roads with these cars are an instant jail sentence. It is not indicative of any rear world performance measurement.

Merging on a highway is a 15mph to 55+mph en-devour where traction and gearing is not nearly as much of a factor. Hell, in this test a ZL1 or hellcat will spank a C8.

I'm not so sure it would exactly spank a C8. It would get past a C8 but it would need time and a bit of room. Not enough room that you'd have in a merging lane or if any traffic is out. Remember, the C8 is still going to be a very fast car. And it is light. Getting around one will take time. Also you're probably more likely to get pulled over doing that than a 0-60 pull. I don't think one is more important than the other. The thing is that you gotta know your car, know or reasonably know what you're up against, and go from there. If I'm in a GT500 and there is a C8 Z51 in the next lane and my lane merges I might do well to just let it go.

Not at all. Because it is an entirely new platform, engineers have been co-developing them. They have to prepare the platform to be able to handle the most extreme applications. You’ve no doubt heard the stories about frame twisting and glass breaking on dyno. That was the ZR1 being tested. And if the MT article is right with their claim that they were told that the combined output is about 900 hp, it would indicate that the output has actually been dialed back a bit from what was being tested when frames were twisted and glass was shattered.

Z06 will still get to market first, but ZR1 specs need to be defined in order to nail down the platform.

Ok. Thanks. Unless you're just imagining things again.

 

[martinjlm]

Ok. Thanks. Unless you're just imagining things again.

Yeah, let’s just go with that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...-powerful-engine-is-warping-frame/3149723002/

This was an early article. Before the 2020 Stingray was introduced, contributing to the writer erroneously thinking this was the vehicle that would be introduced for 2020. It is an indication that GM was testing the frame for MAXIMUM OUTPUT before even releasing the base car.

 

[thill444]

0-60 does nothing to measure how fast you can merge on a highway. People don't start at a dead stop on an entrance ramp. They don't engage launch control. Throwing it out there, true 0-60 runs on public roads with these cars are an instant jail sentence. It is not indicative of any rear world performance measurement.

Merging on a highway is a 15mph to 55+mph en-devour where traction and gearing is not nearly as much of a factor. Hell, in this test a ZL1 or hellcat will spank a C8.

Exactly.

 

[millhouse]

I'm not so sure it would exactly spank a C8. It would get past a C8 but it would need time and a bit of room. Not enough room that you'd have in a merging lane or if any traffic is out. Remember, the C8 is still going to be a very fast car. And it is light. Getting around one will take time. Also you're probably more likely to get pulled over doing that than a 0-60 pull. I don't think one is more important than the other. The thing is that you gotta know your car, know or reasonably know what you're up against, and go from there. If I'm in a GT500 and there is a C8 Z51 in the next lane and my lane merges I might do well to just let it go.

Ok. Thanks. Unless you're just imagining things again.

0-60 runs are an exhibition of speed. Guaranteed jail time. Rolling into the throttle on an entrance ramp and getting up to speed will not get you pulled over...as long as you don't spin the tires.

The C8 is not light. It's heavier than the C7. Sure, it's lighter than the ZL1...but the ZL1 has a much better HP to weight ratio. The main advantage the c8 has is traction...which is eliminated in nearly every real world driving scenario. From a low or high speed roll, the ZL1 will walk the C8. The C8 just flat out doesn't have enough power to out muscle it. If you just look at the trap speeds of both...you will see the difference.

 

[9secondko]

You must be imagining things.


Where is the KR?

the same place the Z06 is.

 

[9secondko]

Per your convo with Millhouse, it’s been stayed for many years how little 0-60 matters. It’s a traction metric. Heck, AWD weak Mitsubishi Lancers got decent 0-60 times in their day for its class.

The 1320 is a great metric as are road course times. 0-100-0 is also a great indicator of performance.

If the 500 had the traction of AWD or a mode engine layout, the 0-60 would be ridiculous.

but it doesn’t, so it’s merely great.

the 1320 performance is ridiculous however.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Per some of my good Chevy buddies. 0-60 and top speed are where it’s at this week.
They’ll also point out “A car of the year award from Motor Trend”. Was given to the Corvette.
But when I point out a Hyundai Veloster won the “Performance Car of the Year”. They get bent.
Go figure?

 

[martinjlm]

Per some of my good Chevy buddies. 0-60 and top speed are where it’s at this week.
They’ll also point out “A car of the year award from Motor Trend”. Was given to the Corvette.
But when I point out a Hyundai Veloster won the “Performance Car of the Year”. They get bent.
Go figure?

Well, the Veloster was also chosen over a Supra, a Porsche, and a McLaren, so go figure. It appears their metric was more about “exceeding expectations” than it was about actual bottom line performance.

 

[Childs Play]

base model GT500

lolwut..?

Edit: Unless you're referring to the track and handling packs. Then I guess there's that.

 

[9secondko]

Well, the Veloster was also chosen over a Supra, a Porsche, and a McLaren, so go figure. It appears their metric was more about “exceeding expectations” than it was about actual bottom line performance.

I think it goes to show the MT awards are nice, but are so random as to not mean anything.

velosyer gets an award because they thought it would do worse. C8 gets an award because it’s different than the current one. The engines in the back now. I think the 350 got one a while back over cars that beat it because it was more rugged. Or something. It’s bacialky dependent on the pizza the editors are the night before. Or whoever wrote the bigger check. Pretty meaningless.

 

[mJolnir]

I think that frame bending from the engine power is marketing BS, so you want to tell me that the car had so much traction and the driveline is so solid that the only thing that could give was the chassis?

i would be more inclined to believe it if you tell me they jumped the car during testing and found that it would brake the rear glass, or that hitting a speedbump over certain speed does that.

 

[Childs Play]

I think it goes to show the MT awards are nice, but are so random as to not mean anything.

velosyer gets an award because they thought it would do worse. C8 gets an award because it’s different than the current one. The engines in the back now. I think the 350 got one a while back over cars that beat it because it was more rugged. Or something. It’s bacialky dependent on the pizza the editors are the night before. Or whoever wrote the bigger check. Pretty meaningless.

Yup. Similar to JD Power Initial Quality. Kind of a useless benchmark IMO. Hey after 90 days my economy car doesn't rattle. But on day 91 in started. INITIAL QUALITY AWARD!

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Well, the Veloster was also chosen over a Supra, a Porsche, and a McLaren, so go figure. It appears their metric was more about “exceeding expectations” than it was about actual bottom line performance.

Exactly. And every magazine article is just one or two peoples opinion. And their unavoidable biases. For instance you would write a glowing review. About a Camaro convertible. I would write a scathing review. I don't like this generation Camaro. And I hate convertibles. So your not getting an unbiased propective. Its the same in all media. Now a days. Your either for the president like Fox news. Or you want him impeached like Cnn. That's why Im a numbers guy. And not a magazine racer. My cars numbers are what I did driving. I could care less what Evan Smith does. Or what motor trend says. I could copy and past 9sec post above. About how I feel about magazine awards. When the Vette comes out. I'll drive down to Kerbeck. Drive it and make up my own mind about it. Same for the GT500. if I get the opportunity. But Im not running over to C6 to argue with blaq. About two cars that aren't out yet.

 

[4V Mayhem]

0-60 runs are an exhibition of speed. Guaranteed jail time. Rolling into the throttle on an entrance ramp and getting up to speed will not get you pulled over...as long as you don't spin the tires.

The C8 is not light. It's heavier than the C7. Sure, it's lighter than the ZL1...but the ZL1 has a much better HP to weight ratio. The main advantage the c8 has is traction...which is eliminated in nearly every real world driving scenario. From a low or high speed roll, the ZL1 will walk the C8. The C8 just flat out doesn't have enough power to out muscle it. If you just look at the trap speeds of both...you will see the difference.

You know better than that. There will not be enough room in a merging on-ramp lane to just walk by a Vette on a 60 roll in a ZL1 or a GT500 for that matter. You would need room. But whatever.

the same place the Z06 is.

Link please.

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