2020 EcoBoost High Performance Package, 330 HP / 350 LB-FT, 0-60 mid 4's [Updated With Video]

[Bikeman315]

Can you please post the facts to back up that statement?

Ford “wanted” to discontinue the EB PP?? So this was actually in Ford’s Business Plan?

LOL.

Ok what’s next, because this thread is spiraling out of control....

If you compare the price of a 2018/19 EB w/PP to the new 2020 HiPo EB, there’s not a huge difference in MSRP price.

Do you even know what a loaded 2015-2017 or 2018-19 EB w/PP MSRP’d at?? Some of them were upwards of $40k+, but you wouldn’t know that because everyone is so freakin busy with focusing on the “new” model and it’s “new” pricing and do NOT understand how the prior EB w/PP’s were spec’d and what their MSRP’s were...

I also wouldn’t expect a GT owner to know prior EB price points either, because a GT owner bought a GT because of their own personal preferences.


The 2018 PP option for the EB was only $2495 - that’s not including any other option packages, no trans cost, no interior upgrades, no suspension upgrades, no color upgrades, no nothing - that is strictly the cost to add all of the PP parts to the EB base.

The 2015-2017 EB PP option price was not much different either.

Take that $2495 from the current HiPo PP package (again EXCLUDING any other options) - and you’ll find there is not a drastic difference in costs from a 2018-19 EB PP to the new 2020 EB HiPo.

All Ford has done was simplified the freaking 2020 ordering process where now Dealers and Buyers who build their order online don’t have to take a Base EB and start adding PP shit to it. There is now a simple choice for the buyer, either he/she wants/orders a Base EB or a EB HiPo (= prior PP) now - plain and simple.


So the conspiracy theorists can go back to their corners....

As a former EB Premium owner, thank you.

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[320guy]

Can you please post the facts to back up that statement?

Ford “wanted” to discontinue the EB PP?? So this was actually in Ford’s Business Plan?

LOL.

Ok what’s next, because this thread is spiraling out of control....

If you compare the price of a 2018/19 EB w/PP to the new 2020 HiPo EB, there’s not a huge difference in MSRP price.

Do you even know what a loaded 2015-2017 or 2018-19 EB w/PP MSRP’d at?? Some of them were upwards of $40k+, but you wouldn’t know that because everyone is so freakin busy with focusing on the “new” model and it’s “new” pricing and do NOT understand how the prior EB w/PP’s were spec’d and what their MSRP’s were...

I also wouldn’t expect a GT owner to know prior EB price points either, because a GT owner bought a GT because of their own personal preferences.


The 2018 PP option for the EB was only $2495 - that’s not including any other option packages, no trans cost, no interior upgrades, no suspension upgrades, no color upgrades, no nothing - that is strictly the cost to add all of the PP parts to the EB base.

The 2015-2017 EB PP option price was not much different either.

Take that $2495 from the current HiPo PP package (again EXCLUDING any other options) - and you’ll find there is not a drastic difference in costs from a 2018-19 EB PP to the new 2020 EB HiPo.

All Ford has done was simplified the freaking 2020 ordering process where now Dealers and Buyers who build their order online don’t have to take a Base EB and start adding PP shit to it. There is now a simple choice for the buyer, either he/she wants/orders a Base EB or a EB HiPo (= prior PP) now - plain and simple.


So the conspiracy theorists can go back to their corners....

My 2018 EB PP is only missing the magneride (shortage, so it wasn’t available when I ordered), msrp of $40,700. I payed 34k for it and very happy with the car. As much as I would like a GT, the EB fills my needs and driving style.

i wish they had Active Exhaust available when I bought it. I’m actually interested in the HPP HP, but I don’t want to get rid of my royal crimson and PP spoiler .

I’ll wait for the next gen mustang.

 

[320guy]

To add my previous reply, my dealership even told me “I don’t know why we don’t order more cars like this one, it’s nice”.

I saw they ordered a couple of almost full loaded HPP HPs, I think the only thing missing are the premium audio and safe and smart package.

If ford hasn’t sold many PP cars, why would they put the effort to give us the HPP? There’s a much broader spectrum of buyers that what we see in this forum.

 

[shogun32]

If ford hasn’t sold many PP cars, why would they put the effort to give us the HPP?

fatter margins when you bake the 3 items (HPP engine, AE and PP parts) into a single line-item. If the engine alone was offered the PP package takeup would have likely gone even worse. People would have spent the money on the engine option and punted on the PP. Now you're have to buy both.

From a "it's a mustang" standpoint, I'm disappointed the PP parts aren't on all trims. It's not like they are selling Civics, so why equip the car with crappy brakes? Because they can charge obscene markup on the PP (aka GT) parts.

 

[speedfrk]

Ford “wanted” to discontinue the EB PP?? So this was actually in Ford’s Business Plan?

If it wasn't in their business plan, there would still be a EB PP, lol. There isn't, it was replaced with the HPP. So yeah, it was in their business plan. They are charging 2500.00 for the PP and 2500.00 for the Spain engine. People who were fine with the regular engine but wanted better handling are now being forced to buy the HPP if they want the better handling. How hard is this to understand? It's just a profit margin thing because this is parts bin stuff. I'm not saying it's not a good car, I'm saying it's not as good a value. It's not an insignificant cost increase on a car in this price range. The PP is about a 10% increase over a base EB and the HPP bumps that to about 20% which is why the reviewers point out that it is getting very close to base GT territory. If they order HPP's as loaded cars, I thing the problem gets even worse and they end up with the Bullitt problem.
https://autoweek.com/article/car-re...-performance-package-less-weight-more-thrills

 

[320guy]

We just need to wait a couple of years, but I think they’ll use the HPP engine for the regular EB probably for the next gen. Then probably the HPP will be that engine + some hybrid stuff. (Opinion only)

Same way DCT will come down from the GT500 to the 150, then Mustang.

Jim Owens says in this video that the mustang will always keep evolving. What’s available today as a option, will be tomorrow’s standard, then something new will come down the line.

 

[Cobra Jet]

If it wasn't in their business plan, there would still be a EB PP, lol. There isn't, it was replaced with the HPP. So yeah, it was in their business plan. They are charging 2500.00 for the PP and 2500.00 for the Spain engine. People who were fine with the regular engine but wanted better handling are now being forced to buy the HPP if they want the better handling. How hard is this to understand? It's just a profit margin thing because this is parts bin stuff. I'm not saying it's not a good car, I'm saying it's not as good a value. It's not an insignificant cost increase on a car in this price range. The PP is about a 10% increase over a base EB and the HPP bumps that to about 20% which is why the reviewers point out that it is getting very close to base GT territory. If they order HPP's as loaded cars, I thing the problem gets even worse and they end up with the Bullitt problem.
https://autoweek.com/article/car-re...-performance-package-less-weight-more-thrills

Not trying to argue, BUT...

You missed what I posted.

PP for PP or in this case, PP to “HiPo”, there’s no drastic changes at all.

Like I said before - it was a $2495 option for the PP - now in 2020, it’s $4995.

Folks you have to consider the fact that there’s MORE to the “HiPo” offering now, than there was with the previous PP.... it’s NOT a $5k increase as many are trying to portray... its ONLY a $2,500.00 increase - and that is pretty damn good in saying that Ford kept the prior 2015-2019 PP package at a stable price. To upgrade the PP package 5+ years later with better hardware components, better software revisions, 20 more HP (maybe not a lot to some) as well as the time, labor, engineering costs and parts costs associated with the new HiPo - honestly $2,500.00 is really nothing from a “big picture” standpoint.

There’s gonna be price increases - hell everyone is fussing over only a $2500 for a EB HiPo?? But no one fussing about a GT500 that with options exceeds $100k+ which enters a Ford Mustang into Super Car pricing territory, when you can buy a Ford GT, Lamborghini, Ferrari (add whatever else here) for a few more coin that would slaughter a stock GT500. LMFAO....

Are we not all on the same page????? How do you come up with a $5k price increase for the EB HiPo package - JUST the HiPo package - that means excluding suspension. BTW - prior 2018-2019 EB PP’s also allowed the buyer to opt into buying upgraded suspension - it was never (and still isn’t) a “must buy” to get the HiPo package.

No one “has” to order the suspension package... or any other “goodies” - it’s all options.

I just spec’d out a stripped down, HiPo - at MSRP it’s under $34k, period. That’s strictly a EB, 100A, with MT82 and the new Performance Package (HiPo).

Of course if one wants to add the cool GTPP2-like wheels, the handling, leather, upgrade SYNC security package, stickers, locking lugs, safety package and yada yada yada.... YES, the MSRP is gonna get jacked up there - EXACTLY like it did with anyone who ordered a 2015-2019 EB w/PP and XYZ goodies.

A totally BASIC EB fastback with the HiPo - just a Black fastback (no extra paint cost), MT82, the Performance Package (HiPo), 100A and black cloth interior:

Am I seeing the same figures as everyone else would if they built or ordered a basic EB w/HiPo?? LOL

You know what SHOULD be pissing people off? The fact that the Destination charges have been increased and there’s now nearly a $700.00 “Acquisition Fee”... my prior 2016 and 2018 never had any such “Acquisition Fee” and Destination was only $995....

The rail pathways and transporter routes haven’t changed - but damn let’s jack the destination another $100.... and let’s add another new fee....

 

[shogun32]

yeah, I'm not sure on what basis the 'Acquisition Fee' is being included. We would have to see an actual order with it attached to see if it's real, as opposed to a build and price worksheet.

 

[boB]

yeah, I'm not sure on what basis the 'Acquisition Fee' is being included. We would have to see an actual order with it attached to see if it's real, as opposed to a build and price worksheet.

The Acquisition Fee is only for leased cars. Go into the order forms and change it to "purchase" and the fee disappears.

 

[Cobra Jet]

The Acquisition Fee is only for leased cars. Go into the order forms and change it to "purchase" and the fee disappears.

Interesting. How come it automatically comes up in the online build summary? I’ve never seen that line of cost on prior online build forms.

 

[shogun32]

How come it automatically comes up in the online build summary?

The HPP package is so expensive the only way to afford it is to lease it.

 

[Bikeman315]

The Acquisition Fee is only for leased cars. Go into the order forms and change it to "purchase" and the fee disappears.

Good catch.
S18. Acquisition Fee is a charge paid by the lessee to Ford Credit to help cover the cost of acquiring and servicing the account.

 

[Blue Moon]

To add my previous reply, my dealership even told me “I don’t know why we don’t order more cars like this one, it’s nice”.

My dealer called when mine was delivered and gushed about how great it looked. And when I returned a couple months later they had ordered another one just like mine.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

Is the intercooler still sandbagged?

 

[AGM2018]

It will be interesting to see how many people elect to purchase a 2020 HPP EB over a similarly priced 2020 Base Trim GT or vice versa. I can see reasons to purchase both....I think it depends on the individual needs/desires and intended use(s) for their mustang. It will be especially interesting to see how this plays late next summer, when Ford usually offers their 0% financing offer. When the purchase price of a lightly equipped base model 2020 GT is the same price...or perhaps even less expensive...than a base 2020 HPP EB.

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