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I was not taking only about the feedback through the the steering wheel. And to me tramlining is only a component (unwanted) of feedback through the steering wheel.
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The only complaints I’ve heard about the R is the tires stretched around those rims. They’re 20’s that don’t absorb shit and heard you’d be lucky to get 20k miles outta them. And something about 2nd gear popping out or some kind of issue with the tranny. Not it’s reliabilty just glitchy
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So you are saying the R changes directions very easily and quickly with only a small input to the steering wheel, but if you aren't trying to change directions it doesn't do that?
I agree tramlining isn't generally wanted, but if a car doesn't tramline then by definition it has less feedback through the steering wheel.
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I guess my definition of tramlining is different than yours. Mine is the tendency of a car to pull on the steering wheel in a direction that I do not want. So according to my definition less tramlining is not less feedback.
I really do not want to create debate here to be honest. But, if you have the chance I would definitely drive a type R and see what you think.
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Hey sorry I know I can get argumentative at times. I'm not really interested in a type R, so I won't waste a Honda dealership's time by driving one. Just the appearance of it makes it a complete non option for me. However I do like cars - and knowing how they work - and I was mostly trying to understand what you are saying. I'm still not 100% clear, but that's ok.
I think if road features don't pull on the steering wheel, then steering feel is generally described as "NUMB". I know that when I go to my narrow winter tires on the Mustang I don't get nearly as much tramlining, but road feel in general is also diminished as the tires don't have stiff sidewalls or a lot of grip.
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Totally get it! No worries! I drove a friends one so I could test it properly. It was fun. I am also not a big fan of the visuals but I can get over that for a good car.
Another thing with the road feel is that generally the wider the tires the more tramlining you are prone to and also less 'feel'. Now feeling the road surface, proper on center feel, load on steering wheel when not on center is all part of it. Plus all the feedback you get not from the steering (seat for example). Conclusion is that one day, given the right circumstances I am open to own one.
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A type R is not much cheaper than a GT. IYS 34,100 for a type R and a GT is 35,500. So we’re not talking about much of a difference here. Although for the price I think you get more from the type R. They make one model of the car. And it’s a premium car.
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This is just my opinion. But NEVER buy a second hand “sports car”. You don’t know how hard someone abused it. Especially if they knew they were gonna get rid of it so they beat the absolute piss out of it. On that note if you’re gonna buy a second hand, at least get one still under warranty for a good 12k plus or more miles. Just my opinion. Not shitting on someone’s choice to do that.
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Especially a turbo second hand.
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I bought my Viper used and have no issues with it what so ever, and that's a dodge
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I’m not saying it can’t happen. And sweet, I love vipers. Suuuuper butt hurt they stopped making them too
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Even if I believed that Nuburgring times are reflective of how much I would enjoy driving each car, I would still not be interested in buying a Type R. I very much doubt I would ever roll down the window so I could hear the exhaust sound better, for example.
I could see in Europe a smaller FWD car might make more sense. I would pick a FiST or a FoRS over a Type R, though.
I wouldn't worry about a used Mustang, but I would steer clear of a used Honda. They are not built to handle abuse like Mustangs are. I've had really good luck with used Mustangs over the years.
I could see in Europe a smaller FWD car might make more sense. I would pick a FiST or a FoRS over a Type R, though.
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