August 2017 Mustang Sales

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Math skills!

I couldn't build a GT for $60,000 like some here and couldn't build one the same price as a two year old Mustang!

This group is funny!

First point: maybe they were including the $7,000 Ford Performance Supercharger kit? :headbonk:

Second point: The '18 GT received a price increase of $1,900 right off the bat over the '17 GT. That's not including the price increases for pretty much every single option ex: Performance Package price went up $1,000 from '17 to '18 (which was already up $500 from the '15). Furthermore, you couldn't even build a '17 GT for the same price as the '15 was. The difference in price of a '15 vs '18 isn't even close.

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[gmichaelj1]

Sorry You'll likely be the only person on this forum. That Will have that opinion that's not a Challenger owner. FCA is reaping rewards? They are also the worst performing Company as a whole. When compared to the other big Three.

Yes rewarding. Challenger is generating sales comparable to Mustang and Camaro with a lower overall investment (body based on some old Mercedes platform that was fully cost amortized when the built the first Challenger) and hasn't been substantially updated since. Imagine the profits (really return on investment) compared to Ford and GM. Yes, FCA is a train wreck overall, but that doesn't mean they aren't killing it here and with the minivans and with Jeep. Clearly, the Mustang and Camaro are better performance cars. But buyers are rewarding FCA (by buying Challengers) for their low investment, at about the same rate as they are Ford and GM for their high investments. If I were a businessman, I'd love to get a roughly equal sales rate with less money spent. I don't think I'm the only one with this opinion, but if I am, that's ok.

 

[Hashbrownn]

I hope Mustangs keeps selling!! :ford:
Is the updated 5.0 different? doesn't really matter to me... I think I've open the hood of my Mustang about 3 times in total of owning the car for 2 years. twice was at the dealership to show my service advisor my concerns about paint and other warranty work.
Digital dash, magnaridel and all the other KEWL stuff?? If you are into cool-aid I say go for it!! Spend your money how you'd like! You've earned the right.
My only concern for the 2018 is the higher MSRP, and is not the bargain compared to Camaro, it used to be.

 

[Ecoboosted]

I hope Mustangs keeps selling!! :ford:
Is the updated 5.0 different? doesn't really matter to me... I think I've open the hood of my Mustang about 3 times in total of owning the car for 2 years. twice was at the dealership to show my service advisor my concerns about paint and other warranty work.
Digital dash, magnaridel and all the other KEWL stuff?? If you are into cool-aid I say go for it!! Spend your money how you'd like! You've earned the right.
My only concern for the 2018 is the higher MSRP, and is not the bargain compared to Camaro, it used to be.

So you don't at least check your oil weekly or at the minimum monthly when filling up with fuel?

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Yes rewarding. Challenger is generating sales comparable to Mustang and Camaro with a lower overall investment (body based on some old Mercedes platform that was fully cost amortized when the built the first Challenger) and hasn't been substantially updated since. Imagine the profits (really return on investment) compared to Ford and GM. Yes, FCA is a train wreck overall, but that doesn't mean they aren't killing it here and with the minivans and with Jeep. Clearly, the Mustang and Camaro are better performance cars. But buyers are rewarding FCA (by buying Challengers) for their low investment, at about the same rate as they are Ford and GM for their high investments. If I were a businessman, I'd love to get a roughly equal sales rate with less money spent. I don't think I'm the only one with this opinion, but if I am, that's ok.

I'm going to try and make this so simple a child can understand. See the red lines? Mustang! See the White lines? Challenger! Notice how even this year (2017). Which seams to be the year your basing your wrong thinking on. There is still a 20,000 sale difference. Selling ruffly 45% less cars since 2009. Can NOT be considered a win by anyone!

 

[Hashbrownn]

So you don't at least check your oil weekly or at the minimum monthly when filling up with fuel?

Do you? I sure don't. Like I've said, I've opened the hood of my car maybe 3 times total.
Once was to show my buddy the engine. I said, "yup! it's still there"
Just so you know, my very first oil change for the Mustang didn't happen until 9,000 miles.
I put gas in, take it in for service at my local :ford: dealership every 5k miles & I sleep like a baby at night. Mustang doesn't get a special treatment. I treat it like the other cars.

 

[Nagare]

I'm going to try and make this so simple a child can understand. See the red lines? Mustang! See the White lines? Challenger! Notice how even this year (2017). Which seams to be the year your basing your wrong thinking on. There is still a 20,000 sale difference. Selling ruffly 45% less cars since 2009. Can NOT be considered a win by anyone!

Ignoring the sales comparison, I think the only point the other guy is trying to make is that FCA is doing a good job of milking an old platform for all it is worth compared to both Ford and Chevy creating new platforms for the current gen of cars. Based on that fact alone, each unit that FCA sells generates a greater return than either Ford or Chevy. That's all he's saying.

Of course the other two have been outselling it, but you can't say it isn't impressive that the Challenger has managed to grow like this without substantial changes to the underpinnings. I still wouldn't buy it, but his point is valid.

 

[Ecoboosted]

Do you? I sure don't. Like I've said, I've opened the hood of my car maybe 3 times total.
Once was to show my buddy the engine. I said, "yup! it's still there"
Just so you know, my very first oil change for the Mustang didn't happen until 9,000 miles.
I put gas in, take it in for service at my local :ford: dealership every 5k miles & I sleep like a baby at night. Mustang doesn't get a special treatment. I treat it like the other cars.

Do I? Yep sure do. Knowing it's full and not low or possibly not showing anything on the dip stick at all let's me "sleep like a baby"

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Ignoring the sales comparison, I think the only point the other guy is trying to make is that FCA is doing a good job of milking an old platform for all it is worth compared to both Ford and Chevy creating new platforms for the current gen of cars. Based on that fact alone, each unit that FCA sells generates a greater return than either Ford or Chevy. That's all he's saying.

Oh REALLY??? And you got that information where?If you ignore the sales comparisons. Then I say it was really impressive how well the pontic Aztek sold.:doh: Sorry but sales are a direct indicator of how well a models design is received by the general public. Thought that was obvious.

 

[Mustangchief]

Wrong on so many levels.

X-plan does not only apply to on lot cars.

Any dealer will order a car for you. If they don't you need to find another dealer.

You don't have to be "buddy buddy" with anyone. Walk in, talk to the sales rep tell them you want to order a car.

Yep, my bad, too much Scotch in the water, you can order from current production or on the lot. Not all dealers do X-Plan though. Valley Isle Motors on Maui does not.

 

[TomcatDriver]

Oh REALLY??? And you got that information where?If you ignore the sales comparisons. Then I say it was really impressive how well the pontic Aztek sold.:doh: Sorry but sales are a direct indicator of how well a models design is received by the general public. Thought that was obvious.

Not necessarily, nor is it necessarily an indication of overall success. Numerous smaller name manufactures have highly successful products with far lower sales than the "big guys". Suburu WRX sales are a fraction of the Mustang, but they sell all of them that they make and they are making them as fast as they can. That's success. BMW 5 series sell less than half Mustang sales.

If Ford (or Chevy or FCA) NEED to sell 100K of a particular model for that model line to turn a profit, and they sell 98,000, then that product has not been successful. If Subaru or Volvo only need to sell 50,000 for a particular model to turn a profit and they sell 60,000 then that is a success.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Not necessarily, nor is it necessarily an indication of overall success. Numerous smaller name manufactures have highly successful products with far lower sales than the "big guys". Suburu WRX sales are a fraction of the Mustang, but they sell all of them that they make and they are making them as fast as they can. That's success. BMW 5 series sell less than half Mustang sales.

If Ford (or Chevy or FCA) NEED to sell 100K of a particular model for that model line to turn a profit, and they sell 98,000, then that product has not been successful. If Subaru or Volvo only need to sell 50,000 for a particular model to turn a profit and they sell 60,000 then that is a success.

What are you talking about???. Car sales are indicative of what the buying public wants. Period. A wrx is not a direct competitor to the Mustang. The challenger is. If your trying to make the point that the (attractive designed) challenger is a success. When your Comparing it to The Mustangs flailing design? I will make the same point to you. as I made to the other gentlemen. The sales do not point that out. And to your point. Subaru may sell all 8000 of the WRXs they make. That would be a tenth of Mustang sales. Why doe the Mustang outsell a WRX 10 to one????? Why has the Mustang outsold the Challenger by 45% since 2009. Please explain to me how the Challenger can sell almost 50% less than the Mustang since 2009. But be considered the king of Muscle car design like was stated in an earlier post. I am at least using something tagable in my arguement when comparing two competing cars in the exact same class of vehicles. I've heard return on investment used as an arguement. Who here knowns Ford or Fiats return on investment?? Sales numbers cannot be disputed! ROI is anyone's guess!

 

[Mspeedster]

I'm going to try and make this so simple a child can understand. See the red lines? Mustang! See the White lines? Challenger! Notice how even this year (2017). Which seams to be the year your basing your wrong thinking on. There is still a 20,000 sale difference. Selling ruffly 45% less cars since 2009. Can NOT be considered a win by anyone!

While selling overall less cars isn't a win, what I do find impressive is that Challenger sales have steadily increased since 2009. 2017 looks to be its best year to date.

I'm really curious about what is driving this upward trend for the Challenger. The body styling looks basically the same as it did when the car debut almost 10 years ago. The Demon and Hellcats offer incredible horsepower, but I believe represent only a small fraction of the Challenger sales. It can't just be marketing, so what's the secret behind its constant upward trend?

If I'm Chrysler, I've gotta be happy to see sales constantly climb on a 10 year old platform, which aside from the Hellcat and Demon, hasn't had much in any form of major updates.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

While selling overall less cars isn't a win, what I do find impressive is that Challenger sales have steadily increased since 2009. 2017 looks to be its best year to date.

I'm really curious about what is driving this upward trend for the Challenger. The body styling looks basically the same as it did when the car debut almost 10 years ago. The Demon and Hellcats offer incredible horsepower, but I believe represent only a small fraction of the Challenger sales. It can't just be marketing, so what's the secret behind its constant upward trend?

If I'm Chrysler, I've gotta be happy to see sales constantly climb on a 10 year old platform, which aside from the Hellcat and Demon, hasn't had much in any form of major updates.

Dodge in my opinion has simply did the best job of marketing. They create a ton of buzz with special models like the Demon. And they market cool. Just think about the Demon commercials. Or the Dodge boy commercials where they are tear assing thru a picnic! When was the last time you seen a Mustang commercial that grabbed your attention? But at least we're not Camaro. Their advertising is dopey at best! Here's my favorite Mustang commercial of the last 5 years.

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[bluebeastsrt]

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