Selling my 16R

[czaustin]

Interesting that people such as yourself continually come up with these predictions and have been singing the same song for the last 2 years suggesting that R models will sell at MSRP or even under MSRP.

Are there some MSRP deals out there, absolutely there are but very few and far between.

As far as buying an R model new or a used R model under MSRP that scenario does not exist at this time and if they do I would like to see some examples.

;)

I have not been "singing the same song for two years". I almost bought one 20K over last year and 15K over this year. However, I AM singing that song NOW. The 18's are about to arrive and just take gander at how many are for sale right now online (much more than the past 2 years). If you follow car sales for any amount of time, you recognize prices are cyclical. The market is absolutely softening for GT350's. It is expected and probably annoys people who paid substantial ADM's. So what though? - they got to drive an awesome car while but other people (like me) are waiting until the market cools. Remember, it is a car and while a car can be an amazing investment, that usually doesn't happen until all production stops - and typically a few years past that point. Again, just my 2 cents. Call me crazy or wise in 6-12 months!

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[FORDSTANGER]

Why in the world is this being compared to a 2018?

 

[PP0001]

I have not been "singing the same song for two years". I almost bought one 20K over last year and 15K over this year. However, I AM singing that song NOW. The 18's are about to arrive and just take gander at how many are for sale right now online (much more than the past 2 years). If you follow car sales for any amount of time, you recognize prices are cyclical. The market is absolutely softening for GT350's. It is expected and probably annoys people who paid substantial ADM's. So what though? - they got to drive an awesome car while but other people (like me) are waiting until the market cools. Remember, it is a car and while a car can be an amazing investment, that usually doesn't happen until all production stops - and typically a few years past that point. Again, just my 2 cents. Call me crazy or wise in 6-12 months!

On post #37 did you not suggest/predict to one of our members that he should settle for $2k under MSRP for virtually a brand new R model after being on the market for 4 to 6 weeks based on present market conditions?

I agree that the market is softening especially for the GT350 cars but certainly not as much as you continue to suggest for the R models.

If you can show me some examples of where a new or used R model has been sold recently for under MSRP as you earlier predicted that would be terrific!

Lastly, regarding your statement about the 2018 R's are about to arrive, maybe you know something that the rest of us don't but that is certainly not my understanding.

Regarding the 2018 R's are you aware that the order banks have not even opened up and even if the OB's opened up next week I would suggest that the Ford assembly plant in FR will not start producing 2018 R's until sometime next spring with a time line of sometime in ~March which is another 8 months from now and further suggests taking delivery of a 2018 R being sometime in May or at least 10 months or more from now.

If any 2018 R's do get built before shutdown this Fall (2017 calendar year) the production numbers will be very minimal therefore do not hold your breath waiting for a 2018 R to show up at your local Ford dealership any time soon which is certainly contrary to your suggestion.

Just my 2 cents as well.

;)

 

[Rated R]

This site is turning into Rennlist...

 

[Mike02z]

I'd say MSRP. You put 2500 miles on it. Some dealers are having trouble selling new R's at 10K over. Doubling production in 2017 is not helping the resale value.

Good luck on your sale.

 

[96cobra]

I own a GT350, would be happy keeping it, but am heavily considering an "R" but don't have to have one and won't overpay for one.

I would say that it's human nature, to some extent, for a person in my situation to want R prices to drop... likewise, for current R owners to believe their cars are worth more or want the prices to hold strong. It is what it is.

But being in the market for one for about a year, I will say there is a definitive swing down on both cars, and R's are much easier to find IF YOU ARE LOOKING and the deals are there compared to the past. Sure you can cruise down to one or two out of touch dealers and they'll fill you full of how $20K ADM's are selling while they point to their $20K ADM R that's been sitting for 8 weeks. Kind of puts that feeling in some that they are indeed holding strong, while the other half realize the B.S. for what it is. Some hold their feelings stronger than others. If I owned an R (or any car for that matter) and had someone telling me it was worth more than it really was, I'd like it! If they were telling me they just got one way cheaper than I thought mine was worth, I'd be feeling bummed (for lack of a better term, lol). Right in the middle is probably where reality is.

Prices are going to vary by a lot of factors for different people, and perhaps that's what we are seeing here- Availability in your area, Color Choices, population (demand in your city/area/state), and even the economy surrounding the dealer (Looks like California has a stronger market than some, for example). So while I don't doubt the prices people are putting out there, there are too many variables to take a single price/deal as being the standard.

I think everyones single journey to find an R is going to vary in many ways and prices thrown at you will be all over. Recently, I've had deals set at $3K over for a yellow and $5K over for a blue (bad timing and distance was the only thing stopping me on this one). But with those deals, I've had 20+ dealers tell me they wanted $15K-$20K over. So if I had just stopped at, let's say 10 dealers, and they were all in the $15K-$20K over batch, my perception would be that these are worth more.

Good luck to all searching and I will say this- this will be an interesting ride (literally) for all of us GT350/GT350R owners.

 

[buster1]

Guys who were bent over with a $10,000 sucker tax just can't believe that this gentleman is unable to find anyone willing to pay $10,000 less for one that is described as "virtually brand new". They call it "sucker tax" for a reason.

 

[SolidZebra]

This site is turning into Rennlist...

Haha I'm sure a few of us GT350 owners are Rennlisters!

 

[Rated R]

Guys who were bent over with a $10,000 sucker tax just can't believe that this gentleman is unable to find anyone willing to pay $10,000 less for one that is described as "virtually brand new". They call it "sucker tax" for a reason.

I told 'em over a year ago. Some were paying $5-10K over for tech pack regular GT350's at the time. They didn't like what I had to say, started dog piling on me, I retaliated and got banned for it. I'm a one man wolf pack here...;)

Jaja I'm sure a few of us GT350 owners are Rennlisters!

Please see my comment above....

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

Guys who were bent over with a $10,000 sucker tax just can't believe that this gentleman is unable to find anyone willing to pay $10,000 less for one that is described as "virtually brand new". They call it "sucker tax" for a reason.

See comment below.. you don't own a 350, why are you here again? I'm going to call you Snack Pack from now on, because you're nothing but a bucket of jelly.

I told 'em over a year ago. Some were paying $5-10K over for tech pack regular GT350's at the time. They didn't like what I had to say, started dog piling on me, I retaliated and got banned for it. I'm a one man wolf pack here...;)



Please see my comment above....

Personally I don't think anyone who paid big ADM's really care, or I can't imagine why they would. If they paid it they can clearly afford it, so anyone hating on those who did pay an ADM are just being a "hater" or jealous because they can't. Just an observation, not an accusation. I don't see any reason to call people suckers or stupid because they are willing to pay X amount for something. People pay tens of thousands and more for paintings and other art all the time, which is not my cup of tea, but I don't think they're retarded or judge them for being able to afford it.

I paid $5,000 over in Canada on a $90,500 MSRP vehicle. If I couldn't afford that extra 5% then I wouldn't have been buying the car in the first place... meanwhile, for a lot of us who seem fully satisfied and intend to keep the vehicles for many years / forever, resale means very little. $5,000 to get the car the car I wanted, new, for myself when I wanted, is very little over the course of a career, and from the grand perspective, virtually nothing. Especially when compared to the returns this car gives in terms of happiness and satisfaction when using it

 

[Zitrosounds]

I do not support ADM. Having said that I am pretty certain that those that paid ADM of any value could afford it and if they can't/couldn't, well, then they have much more serious issues like being car poor. I had the chance to buy an R way back in the day at MSRP. I most definitely was not willing to or could afford to pay 20-30K ADM for an R. I passed for a track pack because of my situation at the time, mainly the back seat for the kids. I have since sold my track pack and bought a used R for MSRP. Is the market getting soft? I do not think so. If an almost 2 year old car can pull in MSRP price, well, that speaks for itself doesn't it? Are cars going to depreciate the more they are driven and the more times passes? Sure! But that is not the definition of a soft market. A soft market would be the new 6 GEN Camaros which are selling for well below MSRP to include the flag ship ZL1. That! is a soft market.

 

[KiLLeR2001]

I think the reality of the situation is that Ford should have MSRP'd the R to around $75,000 from the start. The $68k MSRP window sticker is just too enticing, once you see it, you want it at that price.

 

[Rated R]

I think the reality of the situation is that Ford should have MSRP'd the R to around $75,000 from the start. The $68k MSRP window sticker is just too enticing, once you see it, you want it at that price.

If they did that from the start it would have kept the ADM down but it wouldn't have alleviated the practice because of the limited allocation.

 

[Rated R]

And this whole 'they couldn't afford to pay ADM' is very Rennlisty to me. These are Mustangs, not Porsche's, BMW's, Merc's etc and the ilk they attract sometimes. One of the reasons why I no longer have a GT3 is that I didn't want to be associated with that pompous crowd. To me a Mustang represents real people who work hard for what they have, play hard and enjoy life. Not country club Ted who looks down his nose at the help. Take that attitude to Ferrarichat.

 

[Zitrosounds]

And this whole 'they couldn't afford to pay ADM' is very Rennlisty to me. These are Mustangs, not Porsche's, BMW's, Merc's etc and the ilk they attract sometimes. One of the reasons why I no longer have a GT3 is that I didn't want to be associated with that pompous crowd. To me a Mustang represents real people who work hard for what they have, play hard and enjoy life. Not country club Ted who looks down his nose at the help. Take that attitude to Ferrarichat.

except that many that paid 20-30K ADM are the rennlisters that own 911 GT 2/3 and the likes LOL

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