2018 Mustang Gauge cluster?

[Genxer]

See Lexus LFA, any current Ferarri etc. The LFA had to use a digital tach because the engine revs so fast there was no mechanical tach that could keep up with it.

I think it was a Ferrari or some other exotic where I remember seeing that kind of cluster... beyond cool. Of course, the Mustang is supposed to be an everyman's car in terms of price, but maybe the tech will trickle down to us mouth breathers one day.

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[Twin Turbo]

Keep it civil and on topic.......thank you.

 

[Muligan]

Modern cars benefit from tech so much, that it's hard not to have them overtaken completely by the benefits, including "glass cockpits." However, in my opinion, there is beauty in mechanical devices, especially finely made gauges and switches that give the user a tactile interface with the machine... sort of like the difference between a cold digital watch and a custom made Swiss timepiece.

Give me analog for gauges, any day.

 

[Double]

See Lexus LFA, any current Ferarri etc. The LFA had to use a digital tach because the engine revs so fast there was no mechanical tach that could keep up with it.

That's just some BS they say for marketing purposes in press reviews.

They claim there is no mechanical tach that can keep up with how fast the engine revs yet the engine which is also mechanical and much more complex and heavy can ?

Possibly there are no off the shelf tachs which can do this, so to save costs they go digital.

 

[5pointOh]

That's just some BS they say for marketing purposes in press reviews.

They claim there is no mechanical tach that can keep up with how fast the engine revs yet the engine which is also mechanical and much more complex and heavy can ?

Possibly there are no off the shelf tachs which can do this, so to save costs they go digital.

:doh: Are you really trying to say that something powered by exploding gasoline cant possibly be faster than a non powered mechanical gauge? :shrug:

 

[Grimace427]

Motorcycle engines rev pretty damn fast and they have mechanical gauges.

 

[TexasRebel]

That's just some BS they say for marketing purposes in press reviews.

They claim there is no mechanical tach that can keep up with how fast the engine revs yet the engine which is also mechanical and much more complex and heavy can ?

Possibly there are no off the shelf tachs which can do this, so to save costs they go digital.

What they meant was mechanical gauges couldn't respond quickly enough. Instead of developing mechanics that could react quickly to signal changes while still filtering noise they took the easy route and went digital. Now the needle can disappear at one RPM and magically appear at another instead of physically having to make the sweep.

To get there mechanically, the needle would have to be extremely lightweight to keep the moment of inertia down on the rotating assembly while spring buffered to prevent shakes from the non-constant nature of an engine spinning.

 

[John577]

Found this information today : https://media.ford.com/content/ford...l-instrument-display-dashboard-of-future.html

And this important thing at the end of the page, so the hope begins to see this into the next generation of Mustang

Dashboard of the Future

GT isn’t the only Ford vehicle that will receive full digital instrument display technology. This innovation is coming to other future Ford vehicles – another example that Ford continues raising the performance bar while ultimately improving vehicles for all of our customers.

 

[wireeater]

I think I made the comment early on this thread. I will believe 2018 will get a hybrid display. partial analog, partial lcd. 2020 I imagine a full on, fully customized 3D full information center dash. Would fit in perfectly with the technology piece and timing of the Hybrid. Most hybrid cars usually have pretty nice display/connectivity technology.

 

[Double]

:doh: Are you really trying to say that something powered by exploding gasoline cant possibly be faster than a non powered mechanical gauge? :shrug:

Well yes exactly, something can when it's much lighter than the heavy exploding gasoline powered engine. Not saying a traditional tacho can, but it can still be done.

What they meant was mechanical gauges couldn't respond quickly enough. Instead of developing mechanics that could react quickly to signal changes while still filtering noise they took the easy route and went digital. Now the needle can disappear at one RPM and magically appear at another instead of physically having to make the sweep.

To get there mechanically, the needle would have to be extremely lightweight to keep the moment of inertia down on the rotating assembly while spring buffered to prevent shakes from the non-constant nature of an engine spinning.

I understand a traditional tacho isn't accurate or quick enough, but that isn't unique to the LFA, any current car has this inaccuracy, it's part of how a tacho works.

That's the point I was trying to make, the LFA took something that isn't unique to the LFA and used it for their marketing strategy.

If you look at a harddrive they have been around for ages and they are doing something much quicker and more accurate to what a tacho would ever have to do. So it's mechanically possible, and since hardrives have been in development for over 60 years I doubt it's actually that expensive to borrow some of this tech.

What's more interesting is that a digital display in a car is either 30 or 60 hz maybe even lower, thats 16-33 ms per update. Harddrives can do 30 ms and that includes turning the disk, moving the head from start to finish and having to figure out the location of a file. So sub 30 ms is easy. So mechanical would actually be quicker than a digital display (except maybe OLED).

 

[Spartan]

I think I made the comment early on this thread. I will believe 2018 will get a hybrid display. partial analog, partial lcd. 2020 I imagine a full on, fully customized 3D full information center dash. Would fit in perfectly with the technology piece and timing of the Hybrid. Most hybrid cars usually have pretty nice display/connectivity technology.

Yep '18 will get a combo analog/digital like the F-150... when next gen hits, totally digital.

 

[TexasRebel]

If you look at a harddrive they have been around for ages and they are doing something much quicker and more accurate to what a tacho would ever have to do. So it's mechanically possible, and since hardrives have been in development for over 60 years I doubt it's actually that expensive to borrow some of this tech.

What's more interesting is that a digital display in a car is either 30 or 60 hz maybe even lower, thats 16-33 ms per update. Harddrives can do 30 ms and that includes turning the disk, moving the head from start to finish and having to figure out the location of a file. So sub 30 ms is easy. So mechanical would actually be quicker than a digital display (except maybe OLED).

Mechanical hard drives also don't fare too well with vibration. The disk also stays in constant spin (5,400 - 10,000 RPM) while the read heads sweep in a somewhat linear motion.

Solid State Drives, however, do handle vibration, and have faster read times.

 

[Genxer]

Found this information today : https://media.ford.com/content/ford...l-instrument-display-dashboard-of-future.html

And this important thing at the end of the page, so the hope begins to see this into the next generation of Mustang

Trickle down as I mentioned. Good to see it in print, a matter of time. Our current display is a bit mundane currently, to say the least. One of the weak points in the S550 styling, IMO. I sat in a Civic a while back and it was more visually appealing for goodness sakes. The font or "type" needs some style instead of the no nonsense lettering. I actually like the retro numbers in the 5th gen better.

 

[West TX GT]

Motorcycle engines rev pretty damn fast and they have mechanical gauges.

This. The LFA is pretty slick but top shelf bikes are pretty wild and most rev to the moon very quickly (although most are digital gauged as well) . I don't buy the Lexus hype that it couldn't be done. Marketing BS. My friend has a race built Chevy 427 that blew my mind with how fast it hit the 7000 rpm rev limiter on the engine dyno. I swear the MECHANICAL tach needle moves faster than the eye can follow.

I don't care if they're digital (I was a fan of the S2000 tach) or mechanical as long as they look better and are more accurate. My speedo needle is noticeably off from my cruise readout.

 

[TexasRebel]

My speedo needle is noticeably off from my cruise readout.

That's just parallax. It's really bad in the S550s. If you look straight on to the axis of the gauge the needle is dead nuts.

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