2017 ZL1 vs GT350R??

[Bossing]

Personally... I don't care how much faster a Camaro is. It looks like dog shi* and I wouldn't be caught driving those hot wheels cars.

:lol:

Tell us how you reeeally feel?? ;)

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[J_Maher_AMG]

The small block 5.2L/315cid GT350 Mustang spanked the big block turd 7.0L/427cid Z28 Camaro last time around. LOL

It didn't spank anything, it was only a little over a second faster than the car with over 200lbs additional weight. Now everyone is thinking the ZL1 won't beat it? It will maybe 100 lbs more than the R but have over 100hp and over 200 lb-ft torque more... I would fully expect it to be faster; one thing Chevy does great is chassis tuning, fully expect it to be faster on track. Too many die hards just discredit other cars capabilities because they don't like them.

And that 7.0L is fantastic, makes more torque from idle to redline than our 5.2L ever does, and makes same wheel horsepower. Their 6.2L in the stingray is also great, it's smaller, lighter, gets almost 40% greater fuel efficiency, and the chev small blocks have been proven to be some of the most durable and reliable and easiest to get power out of engines on the planet... Good reason why almost everything gets an LS swap.

I 100% prefer the character and type of engine that the 5.2L is, but to discredit the GM small block as a truck engine or a turd is just ignorance. More torque, way better fuel efficiency, lower centre of gravity, what is there that isn't good besides slightly slower revving/lower redline?

Agree the camaro just isn't a looker IMO, but there is really nothing bad that can be said about their engines; they're great.

 

[Hack]

Agree the camaro just isn't a looker IMO, but there is really nothing bad that can be said about their engines; they're great.

They are really boring engines and belong in a truck or station wagon.

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

They are really boring engines and belong in a truck or station wagon.

I agree they don't have as great of character; it is why I am purchasing an R and not a Z06. But to say they are boring? I would believe you may not have spent much time in a new Stingray... boring is the last word I would use. Deep idle, explosive power everywhere, burbles and cracks on deceleration... boring is not what I would use lol

You cannot deny performance/stats: more torque, smaller physical size, lighter weight, far better fuel efficiency, proven durability.

I prefer the 5.2L as I said; to say the GM small block is simply a truck or station wagon engine, is just through ignorance or brand hate IMO. There is a reason why Ford does not produce a Corvette rival; their engines cannot fit in a car that low and compact.

 

[machsmith]

Yeah, the ZL1 will beat it for a lap or two unless no heat issues. With all that extra power you'd think the ZL1 would kill the R but i bet it isnt much more than 1 second faster. Stang needs more power. The CPC 5.2 crate engine makes over 570hp and around 500 torque. I wouldnt doubt the spy shot car a few days ago had this engine in it. Maybe the mach 1.

 

[superman07]

I want to see what they did to stiffen the sub frame and what weight the zl1 will actually hit when it is released.

3,850 lb (MT est)

could this sucker get close to 4k?

 

[thePill]

what? After years of explaining that there is no cooling issues on the C7 Z06 they fix what was already fixed?

looooool.

Lol!!!

This kills thePill!!!

We reported MAJOR cooling issues before the zl1 was even confirmed. They said thePill was crazy :lol:


Now they claim the "cooling issues" (that never existed) are now fixed!

 

[thePill]

Why would anyone want a Supercharged Track/Curcuit car? It's dumb.

The zl1 needs new wheels, more rubber, more brake... I mean really, it has 1LE brakes and tires. Good lord... call a paramedic.

 

[Hack]

proven durability.

Isn't the corvette the car that had a couple different engines fail during magazine tests?

:lol:

On edit: I guess I'm confusing reliability with durability. Two different things, right?

 

[arsenalrocks]

I think the new ZL1 is already dead in the water, the true competitor for it is the new 2018 GT500 and obviously the GT500 will have ZL1 covered in HP and most likely track time.

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

Yeah, the ZL1 will beat it for a lap or two unless no heat issues. With all that extra power you'd think the ZL1 would kill the R but i bet it isnt much more than 1 second faster. Stang needs more power. The CPC 5.2 crate engine makes over 570hp and around 500 torque. I wouldnt doubt the spy shot car a few days ago had this engine in it. Maybe the mach 1.

Was the 5.2 CPC crate engine ever confirmed though in regards to power output? I would find it difficult to believe that switching back to a less efficient design (cross plane vs flat plane) that they would or even could eek out another 50hp. :shrug:

Unless it doesnt have to comply with emissions and other standards that production cars have to?

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

Isn't the corvette the car that had a couple different engines fail during magazine tests?

:lol:

On edit: I guess I'm confusing reliability with durability. Two different things, right?

Yes that happened, but there was an issue with that particular car that caused repeated failures until they solved the actual issue. There were numerous cases of that type in the early production vehicles, but have lessened significantly since then.

You can hate all you want, it is not like the 350 hasn't had its share of issues since launch. I am just unbiased, even though I am buying an R, I can still recognize the attributes that make the 5.2 better than the LT engine, and those that make the LT better than our engine.

 

[chuckty101]

Chevy using the same basic pushrod/2 valve engine design since 1955. That is why the Ford 5.2L makes over 100hp per litre for 526hp and the Chevy 7.0L only makes 505hp and not the 700+ that it should make if it was a modern hi-tech engine. Look a 7.0L flathead engine could make 500hp

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

Chevy using the same basic pushrod/2 valve engine design since 1955. That is why the Ford 5.2L makes over 100hp per litre for 526hp and the Chevy 7.0L only makes 505hp and not the 700+ that it should make if it was a modern hi-tech engine. Look a 7.0L flathead engine could make 500hp

To say it is the same basic engine is purely foolish. Sure it has the same general design, but today's engine has direct injection, cylinder deactivation, etc, all modern technologies.

Hp/L means absolutely nothing. I could say that my 2.0L in my CLA45 has 180hp/l, does that make it worlds better than the 5.2 with a "measly" 101 hp/l? Your argument is invalid; they have taken an old school design, and turned it into a very modern engine.

While the character and revving capabilities of the 5.2 are superior IMO, you cannot discredit the superior torque, packaging, weight, and fuel efficiency. If you could take your 5.2 and just get an extra 6-7mpg out of it, would you say "no thats dumb it's not supposed to be good on gas cause its a sports car"? Im positive you wouldn't.

You are simply discrediting the work and the engineering that has gone into the LT/LS motors that have taken a simple design from decades ago, and turned them into fantastic engines today with a Lot of desirable traits.

 

[machsmith]

Im looking forward to the Zora and heck i about pounced on a grand sport last weekend. Looked great...but still cant get past the ass end of that car. I dont think i ever will

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