What if the "Tick" can't be fixed?

[BHRS]

I have an appointment this Monday for the "tick" and a whining AC compressor. My '15 has only 12600 miles. I've read lots of posts and most get a new short block to fix the "tick". That is all find and great, but how many "new" short blocks end up with the same issue after a few thousand miles? Or have the new short blocks had a change in manufacturing or assembly that fixes it?

My '15 is a LE 50th anniversary edition and I'm planning on keeping her for a very long time. If I was going to trade I wouldn't care, but I am concerned of where I will be after the extended warranty expires and I'm left with the same issue. I am just sick hearing how many have the issue and the BS everyone must go through to fix it or possibly put a bandaid on it.

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[growler]

There is nothing normal about metal on metal contact and metal shavings in your oil. Put down the kool aid and stop trying to justify their faults - this is why they get over on consumers, they also tried covering up the focus transmission snafu until folks were killed and a class action suit was started, than they put out a recall.

Why does anyone think they won't lie to you? It's all about the profits dude, its cheaper to have parts machined to wider tolerances rather than tighter ones, they'll try an get away with it for as long as possible if you let them.

how would they make any more or any less profit covering anything up? if there is metal shavings in the oil they will be fixing the car under warranty eventually anyways ...explain to me how this affects profit?
You realize these engines were put on test cells and ran full rpm for days at a time?
you realize there are supercharger manufacturers with millions at stake warrantying the engine out of their own pocket which i'm sure they wouldn't do after their own extensive testing. who has metal shavings? how do you have metal shavings without smoke and oil consumption?, can someone show me the smoking cars?
Most of the blown engines I have read about have been dropped valves, still haven't seen anything tick related causing a failure. Ive read about new shortblocks but no failures

 

[stangman638]

how would they make any more or any less profit covering anything up? if there is metal shavings in the oil they will be fixing the car under warranty eventually anyways ...explain to me how this affects profit?
You realize these engines were put on test cells and ran full rpm for days at a time?
you realize there are supercharger manufacturers with millions at stake warrantying the engine out of their own pocket which i'm sure they wouldn't do after their own extensive testing. who has metal shavings? how do you have metal shavings without smoke and oil consumption?, can someone show me the smoking cars?
Most of the blown engines I have read about have been dropped valves, still haven't seen anything tick related causing a failure. Ive read about new shortblocks but no failures

When cnc parts are manufacturered, there is a spec given.. Lets say as an example "must be between 1 inch and 2 inch" and the cost for this is 5000 dollars, if you want the same part spec at 1 1/4in and 1 1/2 inch the price is 20 thousand dollars... So there is how that works... Lets have wider tolerances to save some dough.

Because you have metal shavings in your oil, doesn't automatically mean smoke comes out of a tail pipe. How do I know I have gold and silver flakes? Because I have a sample of oil sitting in front of me.

I rather not let it get to blown engine status, there is obviously an issue, any mechanic that has heard it agrees, the dealership agrees, Ford is trying to get over on the customer per usual.

Again, guys like you are why ford gets away with it. Any sane person with a mechanical background knows that this isn't normal. I'm not talking about cold start tapping, I'm talking when that engine is hot and also while under RPM.

Injector tick is normal - happens on 100% of the cars on the lot.

Even ford's master technicians have stated not normal...

Wake up dude and smell the coffee, I could give 2 craps about what a supercharger company warranty's. .. I have a Ford warranty and a issue and it's not being fixed.. A warranty only has value if they actually back it up with repairs. Who knows what hoops you'll jump through with a supercharger warranty.

I have Ford Tech hotline conversation printed out in front of me from dealer, even Ford admitted to something has excessive clearance well, after them being told I want a new engine than Ford tried to say maybe normal noise.. So full of BS .. its getting DEEP in here folks..... https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...f-events-at-dealer.112041/page-2#post-2381146

 

[accel]

Everyone who has noises must go to the dealer and demonstrate it.

The more complaints ford gets the more the chance of tsb or whatever we get.

But I'm surprised the tick was not addressed during 11-14 and 15-17.

 

[stangman638]

I think it may be worse with this MY versus the 14-17's...

 

[accel]

I think it may be worse with this MY versus the 14-17's...

yes, the tick is still there plus something else.

 

[growler]

When cnc parts are manufacturered, there is a spec given.. Lets say as an example "must be between 1 inch and 2 inch" and the cost for this is 5000 dollars, if you want the same part spec at 1 1/4in and 1 1/2 inch the price is 20 thousand dollars... So there is how that works... Lets have wider tolerances to save some dough.

Because you have metal shavings in your oil, doesn't automatically mean smoke comes out of a tail pipe. How do I know I have gold and silver flakes? Because I have a sample of oil sitting in front of me.

I rather not let it get to blown engine status, there is obviously an issue, any mechanic that has heard it agrees, the dealership agrees, Ford is trying to get over on the customer per usual.

Again, guys like you are why ford gets away with it. Any sane person with a mechanical background knows that this isn't normal. I'm not talking about cold start tapping, I'm talking when that engine is hot and also while under RPM.

Injector tick is normal - happens on 100% of the cars on the lot.

Even ford's master technicians have stated not normal...

Wake up dude and smell the coffee, I could give 2 craps about what a supercharger company warranty's. .. I have a Ford warranty and a issue and it's not being fixed.. A warranty only has value if they actually back it up with repairs. Who knows what hoops you'll jump through with a supercharger warranty.

I have Ford Tech hotline conversation printed out in front of me from dealer, even Ford admitted to something has excessive clearance well, after them being told I want a new engine than Ford tried to say maybe normal noise.. So full of BS .. its getting DEEP in here folks..... https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...f-events-at-dealer.112041/page-2#post-2381146

Again I ask ..what is ford getting away with by selling a car that makes noises you don't like?
are you losing mileage, does smoke and smell?? are putting in more oil than average? does it stall out and die? Is it down on power?
Have they cancelled your warranty?
if you cant answer yes to any of those question your not really out anything, nor is ford screwing you out or anything..
Yes metal shavings in oil will lead to smoking tail pipes ,eventually
Again how does ford make more profit by ignoring a noise that might bring bigger problems later for them?
wheres this conversation at?
wheres pics of shavings at?
The op was about can ticking be fixed.. my answer is no its normal for the reasons I have given

 

[accel]

Again I ask ..what is ford getting away with by selling a car that makes noises you don't like?
are you losing mileage, does smoke and smell?? are putting in more oil than average? does it stall out and die? Is it down on power?
Have they cancelled your warranty?
if you cant answer yes to any of those question your not really out anything, nor is ford screwing you out or anything..
Yes metal shavings in oil will lead to smoking tail pipes ,eventually
Again how does ford make more profit by ignoring a noise that might bring bigger problems later for them?
wheres this conversation at?
wheres pics of shavings at?
The op was about can ticking be fixed.. my answer is no its normal for the reasons I have given

One of the reasons I bought GT was how the car sounded overall during my dealer visits and test drives - engine, exhaust, etc.

And Ford does realize that this is important factor. That is why they add sound pipes and stream sou d through speakers.

There's no way I'd buy the car if it knocked.

 

[growler]

One of the reasons I bought GT was how the car sounded overall during my dealer visits and test drives - engine, exhaust, etc.

And Ford does realize that this is important factor. That is why they add sound pipes and stream sou d through speakers.

There's no way I'd buy the car if it knocked.

I agree with this totally I don't find the tick or the rattle with my car appealing in any way, but I understand that's how it is if you want horsepower , mileage and emissions..and its not that annoying really

 

[accel]

I agree with this totally I don't find the tick or the rattle with my car appealing in any way, but I understand that's how it is if you want horsepower , mileage and emissions..and its not that annoying really

My point is - there's no point in working on sound pipes, sngine through speakers, exhaust and other driver engagement system if the engine is plain simply clanking by design and this clanking is normal and part of the offer.

I can accept this sound to be not harmful only in case they explain what the source(s) of it, why they are not harmful.

Maybe in this case there were aftermarket alternatives that fix the thing.

But I will not accept "it is normal".

 

[stangman638]

If you have metal in your oil, you will get damaged cylinders walls, if you plan on beating on it and selling it and not planning on keeping it long term, maybe your OK.. I do not want to have some 8k dollar engine repair bill after my warranty is finished. I don't think its a good idea to accept premature wear as normal.

 

[GT Pony]

The BBQ tick is very random, it doesn't follow any RPM exactly.

Yes it does. It's just when it does it at idle, it skips beats, but the tick happens at the same point in the cycle of the engine.

Proof of this, is my tick starts to speed up and morph into a constant tick with engine rpm when I rev the engine up in the 1,200-2000rpm range.

Yes, it "skips beats" at idle and that's what I mean by being a random ticking. Keep in mind the 2018+ Coyote has other "ticking/rattling" issues going on, so combine that with the random BBQ tick and you get what you're hearing with increased RPM.

 

[GT Pony]

I can accept this sound to be not harmful only in case they explain what the source(s) of it, why they are not harmful.

But I will not accept "it is normal".

The BBQ ticking issue (and the 2018+ as the added 2000~2200 RPM "rattle" - different separate issue) has been going on since 2011 with the Gen 1 Coyote. If the BBQ ticking was "normal", Ford would have put a TSB saying so by now. But there is no TSB, and Ford continues to replace short blocks. The math tells the story.

 

[Zinc03svt]

Until Ford has actually identified the problem/s, created a solution, and then retooled the production of said part/s a new engine will not guarantee a fix for any of these issues today.

 

[NastyPumpkin]

Until Ford has actually identified the problem/s, created a solution, and then retooled the production of said part/s a new engine will not guarantee a fix for any of these issues today.

100% correct!!

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