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Why are you repeating yourself when you didn't even bother to debate me last time?
Because you are blind to simple facts :(

They are right here, feel fee to post your scholorly or accepted sources that dispute this
Why are you repeating yourself when you didn't even bother to debate me last time?
Did I miss something? Did you dispute the facts above? Sometimes I get notifications of posts here and sometimes I just don't not sure the rhyme or reason of that....
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BJSTANG, why do you even bother replying to the Trump hating vermin in this country. Nothing he could ever do would be enough to make them happy. They are sore losers, they are vile contemptuous beings not worth our ridicule, they are just hateful people who sew discontent and despair even when Trump's policies are trying to lift people up. They would literally like to see America torn apart and fail than see Trump be able to accomplish anything, like Bill Maher said, hopefully America goes into a recession so Trump will be a failure. This is the type of thinking you are dealing with. The only disgrace shown here are the people that constantly find little faults to drag up so they can spew their hatred and negativity.
 

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Because you are blind to simple facts :(

They are right here, feel fee to post your scholorly or accepted sources that dispute this

Did I miss something? Did you dispute the facts above? Sometimes I get notifications of posts here and sometimes I just don't not sure the rhyme or reason of that....
Yeah, I'm blind to simple facts. Coming from the guy who hasn't posted any data to back his talking points, probably saw a nice looking headline and said yep I like that one it fits my confirmation bias and kept scrolling along never attempting to prove legitimacy.

Right where? Are your sources hidden?

Yes, you posted it here and didn't bother to reply to me.
 

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Ahh I found it ;

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Historic low unemployment across ALL categories
True unemployment has been trending down for years, but what does it mean? Unemployment only refers to people actively in the workforce seeking new jobs, however, workforce participation is at record lows which is bad. Should we congratulate ourselves on our increasing income inequality which is the highest it has ever been? Plenty of low wage jobs (see: Gig Economy) but without wage growth and adjustment for inflation low unemployment numbers mean nothing. There is no simple answer to this and I could go on and on about context and understanding.

Unemployment numbers mean nothing, just ask Trump. - We have record low unemployment across ALL categories, we also have the LARGEST workforce participation in the history of our nation. It is Trump's job creating policies that brought this to us.

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Record economy and markets
Care to explain how that zero sum system of financial markets is helping you? I see you are unable to dispute this simple fact as well. Trump's policies have cause an economic surge in this country like we have not seen since WW2.

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manufacturing jobs pouring back into the country
Nope, nope, automation and China are simply better and more cost effective options. The U.S. is still 2nd I believe in manufacturing, but all the JOBS not the process of manufacturing has gone overseas due to safety concerns and cheap labor. Those jobs are never coming back, even if the U.S. manufacturing output grows dramatically, we've already replaced workers with automation. Decent idea of what is going on via 2nd comment. - You seem to be a tad slow, here maybe this will help.
Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26 months https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckd...t-26-months-over-obamas-last-26/#4897c0fc20a6

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TOTAL energy independence for the first time in the modern age
Yeah, we've been going that way since before Trump. The man takes credit for the work of others every single day, he's a pathological liar. How people can blindly trust him without fact checking is beyond me. BULLSHIT, Obama did everything he could to kill our oil industry. It is 100% Trump who reversed that Trend. https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/energy-independence-

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lowest tax rates for citizens in 50 years
Who the hell paid taxes then? Oh, the citizens did. No kidding.. That does not change the simple fact that we have lowest tax rates for citizens in 50 years

The way the 2018 code was written eliminated deductions that middle class people in cities relied on to not be over taxed. The 2018 code shifted the tax burden away from the wealthiest people and on to the middle class in the most populated parts of the country, and the upper middle class in rural areas. Basically 10 to 15% more people are paying more so that companies could continue shifting money into buybacks so they can liquidate their own shares before their company is ever taxed avoiding double taxation. You have little clue as to what you are talking about, the deductions were CHANGED but the primary deduction WAS DOUBLED.

Meanwhile government spending has grown astronomically and we have the highest national deficit in 7 years which is fucking pathetic considering we had just gotten out of a recession, however, Trumps spending has been not been effective for actually creating growth unlike Obamas. Again you are clueless, at least we are getting something for our spending now, all Obama did was see us slide to a state of non-ready in our military and major expansion of government.

There is a big trick being pulled off right now by huge companies and their shareholders. They can grow their liabilities with their assets, compound their share growth with free cash flow by purchasing shares, and shareholders who are billionaires earn most of their money at the capital gains rate and its never double taxed. The founders will get their money and then the next cycle of unfair cost cutting to eliminate competition can begin again.

Trump wants to take away services that allow workers at these companies to keep living decent lives because he and most other politicians only care about profits. Oh so now you are a mind reader - nice trick

Find candidates who made it because of grassroots support and massive volunteer campaigns instead of the people who take special interest money. End citizens united and get money out of politics.

I could go on and on but really it takes forever for me to explain these things over and over again to people every few pages. I implore you to read headlines with skepticism and research these things unbiasedly on your own to make informed decisions.

Your extreme TDS has blinded any common sense you may have possessed at one time. i think we can maybe agree on 1 thing however, you are going to just hate the next 5 years of Trump's presidency.
 

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And this is what will save our country from the vile left. This is the most important thing he could do for this country and is under reported IMO.
 

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And this is what will save our country from the vile left. This is the most important thing he could do for this country and is under reported IMO.
:clap: THANKS, sometime I forget the REALLY important things like this. I have no understanding of why the left hates America so much other than they have had to far too easy to far too long and have no clue of the disaster they are wishing for. IMHO, our WORST mistake was allowing liberals to co opt our schools. These kids by in large are taught to hate America and that it is the great evil.
 

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We have record low unemployment across ALL categories, we also have the LARGEST workforce participation in the history of our nation. It is Trump's job creating policies that brought this to us.
You didn't even bother to read what I said, nor the articles linked. Nor have you shown any data to support these claims, how job creation is linked to Trump especially when talking about coal, manufacturing and the like that he said he would bring back, or how this is affecting our economy as our deficit rises. You simple see some headline you like and take it as fact, having no knowledge of what any of it means or how it works.

I see you are unable to dispute this simple fact as well. Trump's policies have cause an economic surge in this country like we have not seen since WW2.
As soon as Trump won republicans flipped the script about the economy. Our economy has been rebounding since the recession which is an extension of the federal reserve not the presidency. We have a larger deficit than we have GDP. Are you trying to tell me our fiscal responsibility is to increase our debt faster than we can make the money to pay off the interest? How do you think the economy works, who do you think the bond holders are, is this how you balance your budget? More spending, less revenue, surely our kids who will see no benefit from this will love paying for our mistakes.

You seem to be a tad slow, here maybe this will help.
What? Like I said before, rather than reading just the headline and accepting it as fact because you have confirmation bias and are obviously bias and can't see the bigger picture, do some research. I want to see large wage growth for the lower class to help stimulate spending and increase revenue.

BULLSHIT, Obama did everything he could to kill our oil industry. It is 100% Trump who reversed that Trend. https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/energy-independence-
Firstly, nice unbiased source, LMAO! https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/. Secondly, Obama killed out oil industry? Lastly, we sort of are energy independent or at least going towards it, however, oil won't last forever we need to make a commitment to renewables. Also, why are we still paying Saudi for oil?

No kidding.. That does not change the simple fact that we have lowest tax rates for citizens in 50 years
Cool! Why is our deficit rising? Who is even paying taxes? Certainly not the rich. Honestly, why do we even need taxes we're never going to pay off our debt might as well just keep kicking that can down the road for another generation to figure out. This isn't solely a Trump issue, its an establishment issue, we've been doing this since Clinton

You have little clue as to what you are talking about, the deductions were CHANGED but the primary deduction WAS DOUBLED.
Yes, except nothing that I said was wrong. Under new law, personal exemption is gone and standard deduction is now 24k. That is effectively less than previous years, also, taxable income goes up. Loss of personal exemption hurts those who: currently have itemized deductions substantially above standard deduction, don't ear enough to benefit from reduced tax rates, and don't have a lot of children, or if you get raped by the new SALT tax.

Again you are clueless, at least we are getting something for our spending now, all Obama did was see us slide to a state of non-ready in our military and major expansion of government.
What are we getting? Yeah, a state of non-ready, spoken like someone who has never served a day in their life. Major expansion of government? Who the hell do you think is fueling our deficit? We are literally making less money than we spend because of Trumps bloated federal budget.

Oh so now you are a mind reader - nice trick
No, that is just 90% of politicians. Until they stop accepting money from lobbyists and conglomerates I'm going to assume their interests do not align with people without the means to pay for their vote.

Your extreme TDS has blinded any common sense you may have possessed at one time. i think we can maybe agree on 1 thing however, you are going to just hate the next 5 years of Trump's presidency.
Sweet dude, maybe we can get a beer sometime and you can tell me all about your knowledge of political and financial policies.
 

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"Sweet dude, maybe we can get a beer sometime and you can tell me all about your knowledge of political and financial policies".

I have a MUCH better idea! We can probably agree we will never agree on this stuff :shock:. Honestly, past voting and maybe donating here and there this is out of both of our sphere of influence. I suggest a political moratorium, and when the season starts coming up, we meet at Jimmy Cone on cruise night and I will buy you dinner and we will talk hot rods instead. Sounds like a much better time IMHO.

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"Sweet dude, maybe we can get a beer sometime and you can tell me all about your knowledge of political and financial policies".

I have a MUCH better idea! We can probably agree we will never agree on this stuff :shock:. Honestly, past voting and maybe donating here and there this is out of both of our sphere of influence. I suggest a political moratorium, and when the season starts coming up, we meet at Jimmy Cone on cruise night and I will buy you dinner and we will talk hot rods instead. Sounds like a much better time IMHO.

-Rob
I wouldn't say we wouldn't agree, I have a lot of right leaning values, but I'm mainly socially progressive who understands big money in government means almost no one is looking out for you. I also have a healthy dose of skepticism when it comes to biased news sources. Don't get me wrong, I'll read Fox, MSNBC, and the biased like but I don't take them as fact unless their sources/data are objective and give a complete picture as many love to leave things out that don't suit their narratives, or are just woefully ignorant and contradicting.

Meh, I'd like to think I have a pretty decent understanding of both. I have to talk/listen about both pretty regularly at my job and I'd like to think my job is pretty transparent about both.

Sounds good, I plan on doing tons of cruises, car shows, track events, and the like this year. Can't wait to take the winter tires off, not that they've even been needed so far this year!
 

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As usual the same arguments, I fear the day when Trump is gone. I hope one day I "will eat crow" on that statement. Everybody thinks this is left against right, part truth.

The real debate is:
1. Are you a Globalist ?
2. Are you a Nationalist?

The powers that be want globalism, Trump is a Nationalist. There's the rub.
 

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:clap: THANKS, sometime I forget the REALLY important things like this. I have no understanding of why the left hates America so much other than they have had to far too easy to far too long and have no clue of the disaster they are wishing for. IMHO, our WORST mistake was allowing liberals to co opt our schools. These kids by in large are taught to hate America and that it is the great evil.
Minutes after Chief Justice John Roberts gaveled out President Trump's impeachment trial, which had consumed the Senate for almost three weeks, Majority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., got right back to what he's said is his top priority -- confirming judges. Less than half-an-hour after TV networks cut away from the Senate to dive into the ramifications of the body acquitting Trump, McConnell filed cloture on the nomination of Judge Andrew Brasher to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, a procedural step that moved the controversial nominee one step closer to confirmation. The body took the next step to confirming Brasher Monday by approving the motion with a 46-41 vote, setting the Senate on a course to vote on his nomination Tuesday afternoon.

See, Mitch is hard at work, conservative judges to fight the upcoming socialist onslaught on our way of life.
 

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If diabetics don't want to die, then why are they dying of diabetes? I bet its because they're poor, prob haven't even tried not being poor.

Fucking socialized medicine, trying to take food from the mouths of billionaires, pull your pancreas up by its bootstraps you commies!

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If diabetics don't want to die, then why are they dying of diabetes? I bet its because they're poor, prob haven't even tried not being poor.

Fucking socialized medicine, trying to take food from the mouths of billionaires, pull your pancreas up by its bootstraps you commies!

-Turning Point America
Now you have the right idea!
 

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See, Mitch is hard at work, conservative judges to fight the upcoming socialist onslaught on our way of life.
Doc, this is what congress does. Democrats nominate Liberals and Republicans nominate Conservatives. Been this way for 200+ years. Mitch is just doing, at least, this part of his job.

Now the blue part of your quote, :) is just plain wrong. There is no Socialist onslaught on our way of life. You are watching too much Fox News. Not all Democrats are Socialists. Not all Socialists are Communists. You are painting with some very broad strokes. You are also doing what Democrats used to do with the Tea party in lumping everyone in one basket. That is wrong. I am a Capitalist but i accept Social Security and Medicare. Both could be considered Socialist programs (Actually SS is my money which Republicans continue to want to take). This is what had made our country what it is today, diversity. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Liberals, Conservatives, Socialists, and yes even Communists and Nazi's. We are all here, like it or not, so maybe sometime in the future we will all get that and stop trying to destroy each other.
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