What a Disgrace!

[Hack]

Well your name says it all!
To see the president act like this is a disrespect to the people that have put their lives on the line in the armed forces and to those that have paid the ultimate price to protect the constitution
He is actually making fun during the anthem and then trying to encourage others to join in. He is a joke and is making America the laughing stock of the world.
If he was on a rope, hanging on for dear life with you he would not help you but kick you down to save his own hide.
I understand that you respect the guy but at what cost? Your integrity? Oh wait, you don't have any. Your approval of his actions in the past and in the posts above, disrespecting the anthem in full view of others says that.
The world would probably end if he put on a Tan Suit right!?

Actions speak louder than words. Trump is a man among boys when you compare him to recent presidents.

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[Blade007]

Actions speak louder than words. Trump is a man among boys when you compare him to recent presidents.

Cause other presidents made fun of the national anthem!

 

[Hack]

Cause other presidents made fun of the national anthem!

Which is worse - making fun of the national anthem or giving a terrorist nation billions and agreeing to let them have nuclear weapons?

Which is worse - making fun of the national anthem or weaponizing the IRS to destroy an opposing political party (TEA)?

Which is worse - making fun of the national anthem or selling the services of our State Department (Clinton Foundation)?

There are too many to list. I'll just stop with those three.

 

[Blade007]

Cause he stopped Iran from getting nuclear weapons right?
Oh wait, he put them on that path!

 

[Bikeman315]

Which is worse - making fun of the national anthem or giving a terrorist nation billions and agreeing to let them have nuclear weapons?
Which is worse - making fun of the national anthem or weaponizing the IRS to destroy an opposing political party (TEA)?
Which is worse - making fun of the national anthem or selling the services of our State Department (Clinton Foundation)?

Why is it that whenever there is a conversation about President Trump regardless of the topic those who support him always deflect back to what the other guys did? And why is it that when there is a conversation that makes multiple points supporters only go to one point and disregard all the others?

OK, so let's say you are correct on all three of your statements. How does these past indiscretions have anything to do with what the President did this last Sunday. Answer, absolutely "NOTHING". Why do you not bring up Carter & Iran, JFK & Cuba or FDR & WWII. Reverse finger pointed only make you look as guilty as the person you're supporting.

Also this isn't just about the national anthem, the one thing you are harping on. It's just the latest example of this mans total disrespect for our democracy. It seems that everything this man does that shows that he could be playing with less than a full deck.

And by the way, read this. https://www.mannersmentor.com/u-s-flag-pledge-of-allegiance-and-national-anthem-etiquette/ A five year old should know better. If I did what our president did when I was at a ballgame with my dad, a WWII veteran, I assure you that i would have felt the backside of his hand.

 

[Silver Bullitt]

What I find disgraceful are the people that take every little thing this guy does and make it a travesty out of pure hatred for the man. Can't you turn off CNN or MSLSD long enough to realize the real travesty that The Swamp has tried to reign down upon this man? That's fine, go ahead and tell me how dumb or uneducated or uninformed I am to "the truth". What in the hell is so wrong about conducting the national anthem? I guess I'm suppose to follow the manners mentors where it's ok to leave on a certain type of hat but I must remove a different type of hat.

Political correctness is certainly not President Trumps' forte, and I have no problem with that. He's not perfect, nobody is. But, he's trying to do what's best for our country and our people, and that's why people like him. Yes, he has some peculiarities just like the rest of us. But, he also has more balls than probably every last person on this forum.

Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but at least have the decency to respect other people's opinion if it's different than yours. I'm not going to lower myself to name calling like so many others here seem to do. I like the man for his policies and what he has accomplished, and I'm proud to admit that to anyone. If you disagree, I'm fine with that too. But please, stop making a mountain out of every little thing the guy does if it doesn't align with your perfect way of thinking.

 

[Blade007]

So many excuses to pardon his complete disrespect for this country, it's constitution and it's flag.

 

[bigfoot21075]

Yes, i was not to thrilled either. He did "air conduct" the National Anthem. Is that a sign he does not love the country? Well, let's look at the big picture and it is clear that is not the case. His results speak volumes. You don't have to like the guy at all, but you have to like his results unless YOU hate America's success.

 

[Hack]

Why is it that whenever there is a conversation about President Trump regardless of the topic those who support him always deflect back to what the other guys did? And why is it that when there is a conversation that makes multiple points supporters only go to one point and disregard all the others?

OK, so let's say you are correct on all three of your statements. How does these past indiscretions have anything to do with what the President did this last Sunday. Answer, absolutely "NOTHING". Why do you not bring up Carter & Iran, JFK & Cuba or FDR & WWII. Reverse finger pointed only make you look as guilty as the person you're supporting.

Also this isn't just about the national anthem, the one thing you are harping on. It's just the latest example of this mans total disrespect for our democracy. It seems that everything this man does that shows that he could be playing with less than a full deck.

And by the way, read this. https://www.mannersmentor.com/u-s-flag-pledge-of-allegiance-and-national-anthem-etiquette/ A five year old should know better. If I did what our president did when I was at a ballgame with my dad, a WWII veteran, I assure you that i would have felt the backside of his hand.

Here's the thing. In my opinion you have outrage that must be completely fake. No way is it genuine. If it were real outrage, it would be a tiny pebble against the mountain of evil that Obama and Clinton have done. That is why I bring up things Obama did. Doing something a little goofy is a nothing burger compared to letting American government workers die overseas and then lying about it (Benghazi) for example, or any one of dozens of other examples I can come up with.

If you think that being goofy compares to something with WWII, Iran or Cuba I feel that your perspective is way off. And accusations of this brilliant man not playing with a full deck also come off as extremely partisan. It's just a worn out argument that the left always uses.

Try to be a little more realistic and people might take you seriously. Here's a free one for you: Trump did a really poor job of controlling government spending. He's not governing in a fiscally conservative manner. There's something to get upset about. Something real.

 

[watisthis]

Lmao, delusions of grandeur at its finest. Trump is an unqualified, repugnant, morally corrupt criminal. Obama was a war criminal who didn't do enough to stop Bush era large data collection issues that now see us on the cusp of zero privacy, misinformation used as a weapon and the ability to rig everything. All in the hope to keep the country progressive, which in my opinion is a good thing, except for the fact that you're taking millions of others opinions out of the equation and now you open the door for everyone to use those same tactics. Both are establishment cronies for one reason or another. Neither deserves a pass for the horrible things they've done to children and the ones who voted them into power. It's terrible we've had only bad and worse picks for Republican and Democrat nominees.

As others have said, we need to cap political term limits, take big money out of politics thus getting rid of citizens united, more selfless service, integrity, and morals. Apparently, that is asking too much when we choose bombs and surveillance over healthcare and education every election.

 

[bigfoot21075]

Lmao, delusions of grandeur at its finest. Trump is an unqualified, repugnant, morally corrupt criminal. Obama was a war criminal who didn't do enough to stop Bush era large data collection issues that now see us on the cusp of zero privacy, misinformation used as a weapon and the ability to rig everything. All in the hope to keep the country progressive, which in my opinion is a good thing, except for the fact that you're taking millions of others opinions out of the equation and now it's being used against the Democrats. Both are establishment cronies for one reason or another. Neither deserves a pass for the horrible things they've done to children and the ones who voted them into power. It's terrible we've had only bad and worse picks for Republican and Democrat nominees.

As others have said, we need to cap political term limits, take big money out of politics thus getting rid of citizens united, more selfless service, integrity, and morals. Apparently, that is asking too much when we choose bombs and surveillance over healthcare and education every election.

If Trump is so unqualified how do you explain his amazing results?

 

[watisthis]

If Trump is so unqualified how do you explain his amazing results?

What results are those?

 

[bigfoot21075]

What results are those?

Historic low unemployment across ALL categories, Record economy and markets, manufacturing jobs pouring back into the country (you know the ones Obama said would need a magic wand to bring back), TOTAL energy independence for the first time in the modern age - America is now the world's largest exporter of energy, renegotiated trade deals that had been fleecing America for DECADES - including two of the largest trade deals in the history of the planet, the lowest carbon emissions in 40 years, lowest tax rates for citizens in 50 years, prison reform to give convicts a real chance of getting a decent job, 6.2 MILLION Americans lifted off of food stamps, wage growth for low income workers now DOUBLES wage growth for high income workers, “The median or average-income family has seen a gain of $5,003 since Trump came into office. Median family income is now (August 2019) $65,976,”. We have had the longest economic expansion in the history of the country and MUCH more.

 

[watisthis]

Historic low unemployment across ALL categories, Record economy and markets, manufacturing jobs pouring back into the country (you know the ones Obama said would need a magic wand to bring back), TOTAL energy independence for the first time in the modern age - America is now the world's largest exporter of energy, renegotiated trade deals that had been fleecing America for DECADES - including two of the largest trade deals in the history of the planet, the lowest carbon emissions in 40 years, lowest tax rates for citizens in 50 years, prison reform to give convicts a real chance of getting a decent job, 6.2 MILLION Americans lifted off of food stamps, wage growth for low income workers now DOUBLES wage growth for high income workers, “The median or average-income family has seen a gain of $5,003 since Trump came into office. Median family income is now (August 2019) $65,976,”. We have had the longest economic expansion in the history of the country and MUCH more.

True unemployment has been trending down for years, but what does it mean? Unemployment only refers to people actively in the workforce seeking new jobs, however, workforce participation is at record lows which is bad. Should we congratulate ourselves on our increasing income inequality which is the highest it has ever been? Plenty of low wage jobs (see: Gig Economy) but without wage growth and adjustment for inflation low unemployment numbers mean nothing. There is no simple answer to this and I could go on and on about context and understanding.

Unemployment numbers mean nothing, just ask Trump.



Care to explain how that zero sum system of financial markets is helping you?



Nope, nope, automation and China are simply better and more cost effective options. The U.S. is still 2nd I believe in manufacturing, but all the JOBS not the process of manufacturing has gone overseas due to safety concerns and cheap labor. Those jobs are never coming back, even if the U.S. manufacturing output grows dramatically, we've already replaced workers with automation. Decent idea of what is going on via 2nd comment.



Yeah, we've been going that way since before Trump. The man takes credit for the work of others every single day, he's a pathological liar. How people can blindly trust him without fact checking is beyond me.



Who the hell paid taxes then? Oh, the citizens did.

The way the 2018 code was written eliminated deductions that middle class people in cities relied on to not be over taxed. The 2018 code shifted the tax burden away from the wealthiest people and on to the middle class in the most populated parts of the country, and the upper middle class in rural areas. Basically 10 to 15% more people are paying more so that companies could continue shifting money into buybacks so they can liquidate their own shares before their company is ever taxed avoiding double taxation.

Meanwhile government spending has grown astronomically and we have the highest national deficit in 7 years which is fucking pathetic considering we had just gotten out of a recession, however, Trumps spending has been not been effective for actually creating growth unlike Obamas.

There is a big trick being pulled off right now by huge companies and their shareholders. They can grow their liabilities with their assets, compound their share growth with free cash flow by purchasing shares, and shareholders who are billionaires earn most of their money at the capital gains rate and its never double taxed. The founders will get their money and then the next cycle of unfair cost cutting to eliminate competition can begin again.

Trump wants to take away services that allow workers at these companies to keep living decent lives because he and most other politicians only care about profits.

Find candidates who made it because of grassroots support and massive volunteer campaigns instead of the people who take special interest money. End citizens united and get money out of politics.

I could go on and on but really it takes forever for me to explain these things over and over again to people every few pages. I implore you to read headlines with skepticism and research these things unbiasedly on your own to make informed decisions.

Why are you repeating yourself when you didn't even bother to debate me last time?

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