So what's the big deal with a SBR

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    I like guns so I've been trying to figure out why I would want/need a 5.56 with 10 " barrel, other than just another AR to build. I don't get it.
    To me a 5.56 is way to overpowered to use for home self defense, add muzzle blast, and destroying your ears if you ever shot it inside a house car etc..

    Then I look at the Ruger Charger pistol since it is a 22. By the time you trick it out, the only thing original left is receivor, then you put a brace and maybe silencer and you are back to regular size rifle.

    I much rather have a good 17 round 9 mm in full size frame that should do well for home defense with proper ammo. Add a suppressor and everything is good.

    I'm I missing something?
     
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    I'm not sure I understand your question. Have you ever shot a short barreled rifle/ar-pistol? Ever done any carbine training courses? They are fun as hell to shoot IMO. Yes there is tremendous blast compared to a 16+" rifle but that can be mitigated with muzzle devices. Of course there is the option for pistol caliber carbines as well(I'm leaning towards a CMMG banshee in 9mm) for reduced blast/recoil/cost.

    In addition to my PWS MK116 rifle I also have a MK111mod2 in pistol config and it is so much fun to shoot. It still has their A2-equivalent muzzle device but I have a Troy Claymore that I can swap on to reduce muzzle blast(at the expense of slightly increased recoil). No I would not use it for my home defense since I live in an apartment but if I lived on any land with more space I'd rather have a rifle.
     
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    I have 2 10.5" AR's, each with their own dedicated suppressor and legit SBR's...no braces. Have you ever shot a suppressor on a 16" or even 14.7" AR? It's not the lightest combo and the OAL would make it harder to use inside a home.

    I agree on wanting a 9mm with the right setup, I'd like a variation of an MP or sub-9mm for home defense one of these days.
     
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    When they first came out I understood that they were probably just another type of gun for a gun person to hang in the safe. Seems that they are now becoming mainstream.

    First I understand the fun they could be at a range. I don't have issues with that.

    The part that gets me is seems everyone is pushing as a great firearm for home defense. Blows my mind when you think of what it takes to stop a 223/5.56.

    Also by the time you suppressor and brace, are you not at same length as a patrol AR15?

    No I have not even seen or held one in person. I am just trying to understand what other use could this firearm be used for other than paper punching? Tax stamps ain't cheap and can get you into alot of legal issues
     
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    I consider my AR's to both ultimately be SHTF weapons but until then they are fun as well.
     
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    I'm not as educated on firearms as you, so what you write I do not doubt. I'm a causal gun person. So I'm not aware of history and a lot of technical information.

    I just cruise the gun forums and I receive the emails on sales etc.. If you can uunderstand why I may be confused. So most of SBR stuff to me is 24 months old?

    Your information on the 5.56 ammo still does not convince me that this makes a good home defense weapon, choosing the correct ammo for any firearm will give similar results. I have no problem with people wanting them, it keeps the gun people in business.
     
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    SBR's are very handy in tactical situations esp when exiting a vehicle or room to room clearing. Carbine power, short profile, more accurate than a sidearm. Bullet choice is also better. That's where they shine, home defense not so good, just too damn loud, lots of muzzle flash and lots of penetration. Better off with a sidearm or small shotgun. Or even better yet a small sidearm that shoots shotgun pellets.
     
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    I would not reccomend using a suppressor on your home defense weapon. In case you get overzealous and happen to get prosecuted you're looking at federal firearms charges for using an NFA item.
     
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    800lb/ft > 400lb/ft. Plus you can transition to intermediate range targets that 9mm is all but worthless for.
     
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    I have no problem paying the tax stamp, but waiting 10-11 months is just ridiculous. I have several SBR's and "Pistols" and suppressors, but I'm just over the whole wait period. I only buy "pistol" rated lowers now. That way I can make them whatever I want and can run a brace until the tax stamp clears, then convert to sbr.
     
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    If you're talking about the Taurus Judge, ballistic testing has not shown favorable results IMO as compared to dedicated defense pistol calibers.



    Care to elaborate?
     
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    Hard to believe that a chest full of 00 buckshot or a 410 slug at short range wouldn't ruin someone's day. Not as likely to penetrate into your children's bedroom than a 9mm +P.
     
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    I wouldn't have a problem using a suppressor, if it was already attached. The shooting is either self defense or not. If the dudes inside my house with bad intentions, Grandpa's old civil war cannon would even be appropriate.
     
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    This.

    Outside 00 buck, .410 slug, or the weirdo copper disc defense ammo, the Judge/Governor isn't terribly effective as a defense weapon. I still want one, mainly as a curiosity, and also since I have a couple of .410 long guns and like to have multiple things that use the same ammo.

    I'll keep my 9mm/.38/.357s for self defense....
     
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    Other than point blank ranges the spread from the Judge doesn't look very promising compared to an actual shotgun(duh). Not saying it wouldn't ruin someones day but so would a .22 minus the recoil/noise and pellet spread. If I were using a Judge for home defense I'd load it with .45 Colt.
     
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    I've never personally shot one but it sounds a whole heap better than an AR15 for home defense. I'm a big fan of the carbine but don't keep one next to the bed. .45 colt besides being an old round an not available in many defense configs would put the hurt on someone too. I personally use a 9mm because that's what I'm most comfortable with, Either a glock 19 or M&P 9 but if I had a wheelgun, I know how to put it to good use.
     
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    #17 Grimace427, May 16, 2019
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    Oh I definitely agree and I hope to get a suppressor soon mainly so I can shoot on my family's property out in central VA(edit: I can shoot there now but I'd like to be nicer to the neighbors). My opinions on the Judge stem from Paul Harrell's testing and obviously it would stop an aggressor far more quickly than a cell phone(unless you're a major league pitcher lol). I think most would agree the most important thing to consider for home defense is not the chosen caliber but rather the training you have with that particular weapon. I'll be the first to admit I don't have enough and hope to remedy that soon, first with combat/carry handgun use then more carbine training(which up to now was just me having fun at a loose range). My bedside weapon is my Sig 229 9mm with crimson trace laser grips loaded with either 147 HST or 127 Ranger SXT.
     
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    I have a nice long barrel stainless Judge, one of first buyers. It is a great snake gun.

    If I ever use it for protection I will aim for the face to blind agressor if over 10 meters.
    Not a high penertration through heavy clothing, definitely not 12 gauge.

    POST #8 I also not sure how a stamped firearm would affect you legally in your home, South Carolina gives you the right to defend your home, never had a stamp but do they come with some sort of wavier not to use will protecting life?
     
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    Shooting with suppressors is fun, I put together a 300 blk just to have fun with. Training is definately the best tool you can have, I have definately been blessed with having good friends that are into fireams /training. We have brought in some of the biggest names in the training world for private classes. Can't go wrong with a SIG, put many rounds downrange with them before I switched over to Glocks.
     
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    The use of an NFA item in an illegal act carries with it federal sentences. Hopefully they view any shooting within your home as a self defense situation, but if they shouldn't you've just massively increased any possible jail time for nothing more than a reduction in volume of your firearm. At the end of the day it's your call. But to me the volume reduction isn't worth the potential issues. I'm far from the only one you'll hear suggesting not to use NFA items like SBR's, suppressors, or full auto firearms as part of your primary home defense strategy.

    Now I do feel that a shorter weapon chambered in .223 is a solid home defense solution, but I would be leaning heavily towards a .223 based pistol with a brace over an SBR'ed rifle.
     
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