Water/Meth Into TVS Blower

[The Watchman]

Did you ever hook up your Snow performance Meth kit?

Looking for work around for AIT cooling on my 2021 Stg 3 Roush SC.

Not to hijack this thread or your question but there is a nearly 900 page thread here which discusses issues associated with Roush 2650 heat soak in 3rd gen Coyote.

Methanol works but a system like FI Interchiller Stage 2 is basically the “end all be all” solution.

Again, if you are dead set on methanol injection, then go for it. I’m just trying to be helpful.

Cheers!

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[robvas]

Not to hijack this thread or your question but there is a nearly 900 page thread here which discusses issues associated with Roush 2650 heat soak in 3rd gen Coyote.

Methanol works but a system like FI Interchiller Stage 2 is basically the “end all be all” solution.

Again, if you are dead set on methanol injection, then go for it. I’m just trying to be helpful.

Cheers!

Can you add as much timing with the interchiller as you can with meth injection?

You're also looking at nearly $3,000 for a stage II IC kit and < $1000 for a meth injection setup

 

[illtal]

Methanol is an alcohol, it lowers IAT & provides more octane as well. In the case of the wmi, the water does most of the cooling here in a roots style blower.

That being said how much you can add safely is up to the fuel type quality and tuner.

 

[The Watchman]

Can you add as much timing with the interchiller as you can with meth injection?

You're also looking at nearly $3,000 for a stage II IC kit and < $1000 for a meth injection setup

Here are my dyno # for Roush P2 on E85 with FI Stage 2 kit:

 

[COGTR3]

Not to hijack this thread or your question but there is a nearly 900 page thread here which discusses issues associated with Roush 2650 heat soak in 3rd gen Coyote.

Methanol works but a system like FI Interchiller Stage 2 is basically the “end all be all” solution.

Again, if you are dead set on methanol injection, then go for it. I’m just trying to be helpful.

Cheers!

I get it. This is what pulled up on my search and just looking for the best option for my needs. Definitely not hung up on Methanol. This comes with its own issues.
Now if the methanol doesn't work, I have a duramax that would love it. Been looking at F350's with the 7.3L and slapping a SC on it so this is research for later on (and what system to go with over another).
So if I understand the correctly, the FI interchiller is in operation, the AC to the cab is off. That sucks if it's true. Not such an issue in Colorado where I live at elevation. It rarely gets over 85 degrees.

Weird the 900 page thread didn't pull up. I'm pretty sure that is such a crap show and filtering that would suck.

 

[The Watchman]

I get it. This is what pulled up on my search and just looking for the best option for my needs. Definitely not hung up on Methanol. This comes with its own issues.
Now if the methanol doesn't work, I have a duramax that would love it. Been looking at F350's with the 7.3L and slapping a SC on it so this is research for later on (and what system to go with over another).
So if I understand the correctly, the FI interchiller is in operation, the AC to the cab is off. That sucks if it's true. Not such an issue in Colorado where I live at elevation. It rarely gets over 85 degrees.

Weird the 900 page thread didn't pull up. I'm pretty sure that is such a crap show and filtering that would suck.

Totally understand. And, good luck to you whatever you decide.

I will link you directly to that Roush thread in a separate post.

But, I recently wrote a thorough synopsis of that thread after reading it in it’s entirety over a period of a couple months.

Here it is:

Greetings,

I trust this message finds you in good health.

Well, I just finished reading all 879 pages and 13,176 posts!

Do I win a prize?

Anyway, I wanted to give several "key takeaways"after reading this incredible thread:

Key Takeaways:

1. The Roush 2650 kit for 3rd Gen Coyote has an "Achilles Heel" flawed intercooler brick design which causes heat soak issues. This is due to the DI fuel lines being in the "valley" of the 3rd gen Coyote engine and the Roush 2650 intercooler brick sitting directly on top of those lines causing terrible heat build up.

2. The P1 (Phase 1) Roush 2650 also included an undersized LTR design and extremely conservative canned tune which further exacerbated the heat soak phenomenon.

3. The issues which plagued the P1 were low fuel pressure and A10 transmission issues. This first round of problems were essentially rectified by adding a BAP and/or upgrading the fuel pump. (DW 400). Roush also updated the tune and helped with the tranny problems as well.

4. Phase 2 brought a noticeable improvement with an upgraded, larger LTR and more aggressive calibration from Roush. Nevertheless, P2 and P1 both had issues with failed cats with reports of several end users claiming as many as 5 or more cats replaced.

5. The appeal of the Roush 2650 for 3rd Gen Coyote is found in the factory warranty being maintained and the general good quality of drivability and convenience of having a SC kit supported directly by Roush and Ford. Factory warranty was 3/36 with the SC installation by a Roush/Ford approved technicians.

6. The various issues notwithstanding, the Roush 2650 kit still offered excellent drivability and "street-able" high HP and Torque applications.

7. Those looking for higher HP performance and drag racing applications are "probably" better served with a different boost kit.

8. Many of the issues associated with the Roush 2650 for 3rd Gen Coyote are rectified by employing after market parts and services. Tuning, headers, fuel systems (E85), ice tanks, inter chiller systems, larger radiators etc. It is reported users experienced drastic alleviation of heat soak with inter-chillers.

9. Even with all the problems associated with the Roush 2650 for 3rd Gen Coyote, direct engine failure due to the kit itself is relatively low. For example, there were many, many more reports of the 5th Gen Whipple kits on P1 tune causes catastrophic engine failures than Roush.

NOTE: This synopsis is a general summary of the material in this thread and is in no way designed to include all the various nuances of discussion.

Cheers!

 

[The Watchman]

@COGTR3 here is a direct link to that thread:

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...tually-have-the-the-roush-kit.127474/page-879

If you decide to keep your Roush, I highly recommend the FI Interchiller Stage 2 kit.

That kit will make your car perform nearly flawless. You WILL NOT lose any AC performance at all.

@beefcake will hook you up with the parts necessary.

Lemme know if I can assist you further.

Happy Holidays

 

[COGTR3]

Totally understand. And, good luck to you whatever you decide.

I will link you directly to that Roush thread in a separate post.

But, I recently wrote a thorough synopsis of that thread after reading it in it’s entirety over a period of a couple months.

Here it is:

Greetings,

I trust this message finds you in good health.

Well, I just finished reading all 879 pages and 13,176 posts!

Do I win a prize?

Anyway, I wanted to give several "key takeaways"after reading this incredible thread:

Key Takeaways:

1. The Roush 2650 kit for 3rd Gen Coyote has an "Achilles Heel" flawed intercooler brick design which causes heat soak issues. This is due to the DI fuel lines being in the "valley" of the 3rd gen Coyote engine and the Roush 2650 intercooler brick sitting directly on top of those lines causing terrible heat build up.

2. The P1 (Phase 1) Roush 2650 also included an undersized LTR design and extremely conservative canned tune which further exacerbated the heat soak phenomenon.

3. The issues which plagued the P1 were low fuel pressure and A10 transmission issues. This first round of problems were essentially rectified by adding a BAP and/or upgrading the fuel pump. (DW 400). Roush also updated the tune and helped with the tranny problems as well.

4. Phase 2 brought a noticeable improvement with an upgraded, larger LTR and more aggressive calibration from Roush. Nevertheless, P2 and P1 both had issues with failed cats with reports of several end users claiming as many as 5 or more cats replaced.

5. The appeal of the Roush 2650 for 3rd Gen Coyote is found in the factory warranty being maintained and the general good quality of drivability and convenience of having a SC kit supported directly by Roush and Ford. Factory warranty was 3/36 with the SC installation by a Roush/Ford approved technicians.

6. The various issues notwithstanding, the Roush 2650 kit still offered excellent drivability and "street-able" high HP and Torque applications.

7. Those looking for higher HP performance and drag racing applications are "probably" better served with a different boost kit.

8. Many of the issues associated with the Roush 2650 for 3rd Gen Coyote are rectified by employing after market parts and services. Tuning, headers, fuel systems (E85), ice tanks, inter chiller systems, larger radiators etc. It is reported users experienced drastic alleviation of heat soak with inter-chillers.

9. Even with all the problems associated with the Roush 2650 for 3rd Gen Coyote, direct engine failure due to the kit itself is relatively low. For example, there were many, many more reports of the 5th Gen Whipple kits on P1 tune causes catastrophic engine failures than Roush.

NOTE: This synopsis is a general summary of the material in this thread and is in no way designed to include all the various nuances of discussion.

Cheers!

@COGTR3 here is a direct link to that thread:

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...tually-have-the-the-roush-kit.127474/page-879

If you decide to keep your Roush, I highly recommend the FI Interchiller Stage 2 kit.

That kit will make your car perform nearly flawless. You WILL NOT lose any AC performance at all.

@beefcake will hook you up with the parts necessary.

Lemme know if I can assist you further.

Happy Holidays

You are a rockstar. Thank you for the assist. I moderate a site with 378k and another with 110k members. I do exactly what you just did to better this site and its members. I appreciate it. If you ever find yourself in Colorado Springs, CO I owe you six one packs and some laughs.

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