Water/Meth Injection thread...

[Frogger]

I'm going meth

I bought a water meth kit from wannaspeed. It is totally mechanical and easy to install. I am going to mount it in my JLT intake, which I bought because it has a large circumference to give me plenty of mounting options. I've read for days on this option and I promise you it will be a popular, effective and safe option for this car in particular.

The rest of you can sit back and eat my uncatted fumes.

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[Apwrx]

I bought a water meth kit from wannaspeed. It is totally mechanical and easy to install. I am going to mount it in my JLT intake, which I bought because it has a large circumference to give me plenty of mounting options. I've read for days on this option and I promise you it will be a popular, effective and safe option for this car in particular.

The rest of you can sit back and eat my uncatted fumes.

awesome! id love an update when you get it dialed.This is the direction iam leaning.

 

[Frogger]

Here's a bonus for you since you are ahead of the crowd: http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems....-Methanol-Injection-Nozzles/article_info.html

I also bought the Full Race IC with the hard pipe kit. Lower temps in the IC equals even lower temps coming out. Gonna be like running a bigger turbo, until ATP comes out with their turbo to match my ATP down pipe.

 

[dragonacc]

I bought a water meth kit from wannaspeed. It is totally mechanical and easy to install. I am going to mount it in my JLT intake, which I bought because it has a large circumference to give me plenty of mounting options. I've read for days on this option and I promise you it will be a popular, effective and safe option for this car in particular.

The rest of you can sit back and eat my uncatted fumes.

Looking forward to hearing how this goes. Please do a write up when you get everything installed if you have the chance.

 

[Ron@cp-e]

I'm anxious to see some of these installs
I'm planning to install a kit using the Boomba TB spacer as the nozzle mount or maybe if I'm feeling froggy, try the intake manifold spacer for direct port meth

"drowning in meth" sounds good for a DI power plant

 

[VTuner]

Plug and Play Methanol/Water System - initial test results

Hi guys,

I see that there is some interest here on adding methanol/water injection to the Mustang Ecoboost so I am going to share a little on what I am putting together to make it as easy as possible for anyone to run methanol/water on their Mustang. I have been designing, tuning and installing methanol/water injections systems for years and it is one of the very first upgrades I install on practically every forced induction vehicle I have ever owned. The benefits are tremendous, which if you are reading this forum you probably already know. The main reasons I hear why more people do not install it are the concerns about the difficulty of the installations and that many owners do not want to alter factory compononents (warranty concerns, etc). To that extent I have designed a system for the Ecoboost Mustangs that is a complete drop-in/bolt on that can be installed or removed cleanly in about 10 minutes:

All of the key components are pre-wired and mounted on an aluminum frame as shown below (reservoir, pump, controller, solenoid valve) - all you need to do is remove your stock intake and install our 3" intake with integrated MAF sensor,install the throttle injection plate behind the throttle body and plug in the fuse to the oem fuse box and you are ready to go:

The frame mounts with 2 bolts to existing bolt holes in the head (visible below with the stock intake removed):

I just started dyno tuning this system last week and will post updates for you here and would be happy to answer any questions anyone has on the pros/cons of methanol/water injection systems. For the first runs on the dyno I recorded baseline pulls with the stock hardware (2015 Ecoboost Automatic, 3.15 diff).

At the stock boost (20 psi max) the charge air temps (IAT2) went from 87F at the start of the pull to 133F at the end of the pull (shop was at 69F). With the meth system installed and using the same boost pressure the temps were 69F at the start (hit it with meth by blipping the throttle just before the pull) and they only rose to 89F at the end of the pull.

For this first set of runs I kept things pretty close to stock on the tune (20 psi max boost) and adjusted the air/fuel so it was optimized for the methanol/water sytem, then added 2-3 degrees of advance between 5200 rpm and 6500 rpm over the stock timing. The boost pressure was not increased over stock and you can hit the link to see how much power it is starting to pick up: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=891428194255333&theater

Things will get much more interesting once we raise the boost pressure further and dial in the timing at all engine speeds :cheers:

 

[Juben]

Do you have any pics of the kit installed showing it's location, etc?

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[VTuner]

Do you have any pics of the kit installed showing it's location, etc?

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Hi Juben,

The first picture in the post shows the system installed on the engine - Everything is mounted on a frame (see the second picture in the post) that mounts to existing bolt holes on the head (you can see the bolt holes in the photo below with the stock intake removed and just before we install the mount with the components attached:

Cheers,

 

[JJ@WMS]

Hi guys,

I see that there is some interest here on adding methanol/water injection to the Mustang Ecoboost so I am going to share a little on what I am putting together to make it as easy as possible for anyone to run methanol/water on their Mustang. I have been designing, tuning and installing methanol/water injections systems for years and it is one of the very first upgrades I install on practically every forced induction vehicle I have ever owned. The benefits are tremendous, which if you are reading this forum you probably already know. The main reasons I hear why more people do not install it are the concerns about the difficulty of the installations and that many owners do not want to alter factory compononents (warranty concerns, etc). To that extent I have designed a system for the Ecoboost Mustangs that is a complete drop-in/bolt on that can be installed or removed cleanly in about 10 minutes:



All of the key components are pre-wired and mounted on an aluminum frame as shown below (reservoir, pump, controller, solenoid valve) - all you need to do is remove your stock intake and install our 3" intake with integrated MAF sensor,install the throttle injection plate behind the throttle body and plug in the fuse to the oem fuse box and you are ready to go:

The frame mounts with 2 bolts to existing bolt holes in the head (visible below with the stock intake removed):



I just started dyno tuning this system last week and will post updates for you here and would be happy to answer any questions anyone has on the pros/cons of methanol/water injection systems. For the first runs on the dyno I recorded baseline pulls with the stock hardware (2015 Ecoboost Automatic, 3.15 diff).

At the stock boost (20 psi max) the charge air temps (IAT2) went from 87F at the start of the pull to 133F at the end of the pull (shop was at 69F). With the meth system installed and using the same boost pressure the temps were 69F at the start (hit it with meth by blipping the throttle just before the pull) and they only rose to 89F at the end of the pull.

For this first set of runs I kept things pretty close to stock on the tune (20 psi max boost) and adjusted the air/fuel so it was optimized for the methanol/water sytem, then added 2-3 degrees of advance between 5200 rpm and 6500 rpm over the stock timing. The boost pressure was not increased over stock and you can hit the link to see how much power it is starting to pick up:

Things will get much more interesting once we raise the boost pressure further and dial in the timing at all engine speeds :cheers:

Couple of quick questions.

You mention a MAF in your 3 inch CAI. Did you mean the IAT sensor? There is no MAF with this car.

Secondly, how are you triggering the Meth? Boost pressure, throttle position?

Lastly are you running 50/50? If not what percentage?

JJ

 

[VTuner]

JJ -You read correctly - the addition of a MAF sensor is what makes this system plug and play and easy to tune. There is no need to splice into any factory lines for other signal references. Injecting progressively more methanol/water based on mass airflow provides the best results on turbocharged engines with active boost control.

I am running 50/50 methanol/water.

 

[Juben]

You read correctly - the addition of a MAF sensor is what makes this system plug and play and easy to tune. There is no need to splice into any factory lines for other signal references. Injecting progressively more methanol/water based on mass airflow provides the best results on turbocharged engines with active boost control.

So I guess this wouldn't be compatible with my aftermarket JLT intake then?

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[VTuner]

You would need to use our intake or possibly another vendors intake that I modified for you. Many aftermarket intakes are aluminum or steel, in which case it would not be that hard to modify it with a weld on MAF bung. I can fabricate the same intake in different materials, coatings etc.

 

[Juben]

You would need to use our intake or possibly another vendors intake that I modified for you. Many aftermarket intakes are aluminum or steel, in which case it would not be that hard to modify it with a weld on MAF bung. I can fabricate the same intake in different materials, coatings etc.

Where are your kits going to be pricing wise?

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[VTuner]

Where are your kits going to be pricing wise?

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You can PM me to discuss or follow updates on my websites - I do not want to violate any forum rules by offering any pricing here unless I decide to become a forum sponsor. For now this is just to share results and help to promote general interest in the use of methanol/water injection.

 

[cosmo]

You're injecting into a throttle body spacer essentially, correct? What's the % per cylinder? Injection that close to cylinder 1 makes me think that cylinders 1 and 2 will have a higher % of snow versus cylinders 3 and 4.

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