Supercharger failures

[Torinate]

Still deciding on forced induction...

I think I’ve read most of the threads on various models.

My questions are these.

Who has a supercharger that has failed? What are the symptoms of them going bad? Which model and how hard were you pushing it?

Interesting, the Prochargers spin to 62 or 65 k and the Paxton / Vortech spin to 50 k. Unless you opt for the HD or JT which spin to 60. But the HD and JT don’t flow any more (from the Paxton sight) even though they spin a lot higher. Wonder why they can only spin to 52k and the Prochargers spin to 62+.

Does a billet impeller work “better”?

Any failures with the Whipple as well?

Thanks!

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[Jay-rod427]

We blew up an F2 end of this year. Does that count? LOL It saw some extreme punishment. The rpm is all about the step up gears, and impeller design. Just different designs between them.

Procharger is a better blower imo. Better efficiency especially in the X line, better quality no worries about cold weather clearances, cleaner install, and looks better.

 

[Angry50]

Still deciding on forced induction...

I think I’ve read most of the threads on various models.

My questions are these.

Who has a supercharger that has failed? What are the symptoms of them going bad? Which model and how hard were you pushing it?

Interesting, the Prochargers spin to 62 or 65 k and the Paxton / Vortech spin to 50 k. Unless you opt for the HD or JT which spin to 60. But the HD and JT don’t flow any more (from the Paxton sight) even though they spin a lot higher. Wonder why they can only spin to 52k and the Prochargers spin to 62+.

Does a billet impeller work “better”?

Any failures with the Whipple as well?

Thanks!

I would say the first questions are how much are you willing to spend? how fast do you want to go? what kind of power delivery do you enjoy? each kit has its place

 

[z06psi]

I had the front bearings fail on a Kenne Bell which caused the rotors to hit each other.

PC now and no issues.

 

[Torinate]

I would say the first questions are how much are you willing to spend? how fast do you want to go? what kind of power delivery do you enjoy? each kit has its place

Well, I think any of them will perform up to the level I’m looking for. I’m looking for longevity and durability. My research tells me all the FI options make serious power.

No E85 here so will be 93 with meth. You tell me the power level or where it will likely be at.

2016 auto. If Centri will do 18 manifold. Cat deletes. Meth. Likely stay around 12 pounds boost as using 93 but *may go to 14 if it’s safe. Lund will tune it. If Whipple same thing (no manifold though). Safe tune, nothing too close to the edge.

Street car. Convertible. Track it maybe once or twice a year on rentals if they don’t punt me.

Not dyno racing or looking for a hero run.

Still eying a turbo kit as well but install maybe a little more than I want.

Cost wise, I want to spend $20. ( I know I know...). Forced induction is expensive! Even more here in Ontario. But if one model had inherent issues then I would pass on that.

I’ve read a few issues with Paxtons going bad and the Kenne Bell above.

Not really sure though if it’s a numbers thing or not. If 1000 Paxton’s out there and 10 have a problem or 100 Prochargers out there and 1 has a problem - same percentage.

Why does the SL 2200 at 52k flow the same as the 2200 HD at 60k?

Thanks for the info!

 

[Angry50]

simplest and easiest is gonna be a whipple. no oil to change no IC piping, just the coolant setup 1 time and done. great power, turbos are more money and more complex setup, but adjustable boost and most capable. Centri is gonna just be for cheapness, they are a "bang for the buck" kit

EDIT: wanted to add VMP is a great option for the 15-17 with the new 2650 kits

 

[sdiver68]

simplest and easiest is gonna be a whipple. no oil to change no IC piping, just the coolant setup 1 time and done. great power, turbos are more money and more complex setup, but adjustable boost and most capable. Centri is gonna just be for cheapness, they are a "bang for the buck" kit

EDIT: wanted to add VMP is a great option for the 15-17 with the new 2650 kits

Ummm, except many Centri are about the same upfront cost as PDs. In fact I'd argue based on recent analysis in shopping for my own car, PDs are the cheaper option in terms of total cost of ownership. Its more about Pros/Cons of each than price.

 

[Angry50]

Ummm, except many Centri are about the same upfront cost as PDs. In fact I'd argue based on recent analysis in shopping for my own car, PDs are the cheaper option in terms of total cost of ownership. Its more about Pros/Cons of each than price.

sure it depends on year and kit.. i paid less than 7 for mine complete running and a PD would be at least 8k. if you get a certain deal on a certain PD, you might be able to match the price of a centri but ive never seen it.. usually 1-2k more for a PD but they have many advantages.

 

[kcc0521]

I was at a similar point to you a year ago and I decided to buy the paxton. On the street any form of forced induction will make plenty of power. Most people will tell you that the one they own is the best. Basically it depends. The paxton or procharger will take you deep in the 9s and the limit of the stock motor. I ran a 9.36 at 148 on my paxton with a 3.48 pulley and E85 but I currently have it listed in the classifieds because I am moving up to twin turbos for more RWHP potential when I build a motor. My buddy has a D1SC and it makes good power as well. The procharger is easier to install than the paxton but the parts that come in the paxton kit look nicer. The whipple is more difficult to install but makes good low end. You will be happy with any of them.

 

[Notheryote]

If you're not really tracking the car much, honestly turbo or PD seems like a better choice just based off the characteristics in how they generate power. You have to spin a centri up a few thousand rpm before you start seeing any real power, so unless you're constantly dogging it around town, it'll mostly drive like stock. With a PD you have pretty much instant torque which is why I ended up with a whipple. I was seriously considering the paxton and I think it's a great setup for the track, but I can count the number of people I've talked to that switched from centri to a PD on more than one hand... on the flip side, never met anyone (personally) that went PD to centri, just PD to turbo.

 

[Torinate]

Thanks!

But man, that On3 twin turbo pricing is nice!!!

Any improvements to the fit of the kit though? Hellion is beautiful, but pricing etc. I know... gotta pay to play. My offer was ignored...

 

[hawk232]

FWIW i made 832rwhp on 93 with meth with a TT setup....

adjustable boost is nice too since 832rwhp is NOT usable on the street!

 

[Torinate]

FWIW i made 832rwhp on 93 with meth with a TT setup....

adjustable boost is nice too since 832rwhp is NOT usable on the street!

Nice!!

Which system?

 

[Ponderthis]

The Paxton 2200 SL's Dont have as good of self lubricating system as procharger does, Once you pulley down to 3.48 and spin it to 7800rpm a few times the oil slinger breaks off the shaft internally and starves the gears... Has happened to countless people on this forum including me twice!

 

[Torinate]

Ah. That explains the rpm difference.

Breaking off is not good.

Will this generally happen if overspun? Any failures with keeping it below the max?

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