Should I sell mine?

[Seanuf99]

I sold a truck to carvana for something like $7k more than car max and the new car dealers were offering back in January. No idea if it was a fluke or not, but its worth giving them a shot. Takes 5 minutes online to get the offer with no committment.

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[rorrerjp]

Sounds like its the 10R80 to me. Been battling with mine for a while now. Multiple Ford dealers say its normal Clunkiest transmission in the world, I hate it.

It never did it before and sounds like it's in the rear. Defiantly not coming from under the shifter.

The mass produced cars of the 60s (take the mustang for example) outsold current mustangs by like 10 fold. They cost $3k brand new and now cost $40k. All that being said, if you bought your Mustang just cause it’s supposed to be worth more in 10-20 years you F’ed up. 40-50 years maybe? Idk. Keep your car and do some sweet burnouts in it.

If we knew how many Ford was producing it would be a different story for sure.


I do have a low #200's chassis number and with the chip shortage there were less 21 mach 1s made I'm sure then there will be in 22.

 

[rorrerjp]

I spent a good 2 days searching for something else if I did get rid of this and I couldn't find anything within 200 miles that is worthwhile. I'm not paying over MSRP for something and saying forget those dealers. This dealer is one that is selling nearly everything over MSRP.

I knew 52k was on the lower end since mine is spotless they could sell it for close to 60k.

It's always the what if with the slowing car demand and higher interest rates if now is the time to sell it.

I was originally considering a 1le before I got the mach 1 so that's what I was considering (easier to do motor mods) but there is still something off with them.

Thanks for all the input. I'll just be keeping it and driving it how it's intended.

 

[TrackMustang]

It never did it before and sounds like it's in the rear. Defiantly not coming from under the shifter.



If we knew how many Ford was producing it would be a different story for sure.


I do have a low #200's chassis number and with the chip shortage there were less 21 mach 1s made I'm sure then there will be in 22.

They put out sales numbers, we know how many they sold and production is almost certainly just slightly above that number.

 

[Ewheels]

Not sure what has been printed downstream of this post, but C&D also had an earlier comparison of the 2019 Level II & GT350. While the GT350 has better OA lap times @ Grattan ("nearly two seconds quicker"), the Level II had both better braking & handling. It also performed better on the skid pad. In both instances, it was due to the larger footprint (wheel/tire combo) of the Level II. With the Mach 1 having the same wheel/tire upgrade as the Level II AND some additional suspension/chassis items from the GT350, it's kind of a no-brainer that it would be a better track car. Think about it ... when Ford was developing the Mach 1, they knew that the GT350 was a "dead horse". Just as the Level II was a step between the GT & the GT350, the Mach 1 had to be improved a bit more to establish itself as a legitimate step between the GT & the GT500. Marketing 101, if you will.

The PP2 does not have a larger footprint than the 350R.
PP2 = 305 F/R. 350R = 305/315 both with Cup2's. No advantage there.

The Mach 1 is a better track car than PP1, PP2, Bullitt but again, not better than 350R. Everything the Mach 1 has that makes it good, the 350R also has, plus more. (Except the A10. Yes, that is a huge advantage for the Mach 1.)

There are SO many other variables that come into play. Tire temps, ambient temps, brake temps, humidity, driver skill, etc. Yes, the Mach 1 and 350R are very similar but with all other variables held equal, the 350R is faster. It has more power, bigger brakes, much less weight, more aero. There's no subjectivity to discuss there.

And no, I'm not crapping on the Mach 1. I own a regular GT; so both are already better than my starting platform.

 

[Atlas1]

The PP2 does not have a larger footprint than the 350R.
PP2 = 305 F/R. 350R = 305/315 both with Cup2's. No advantage there.

The Mach 1 is a better track car than PP1, PP2, Bullitt but again, not better than 350R. Everything the Mach 1 has that makes it good, the 350R also has, plus more. (Except the A10. Yes, that is a huge advantage for the Mach 1.)

There are SO many other variables that come into play. Tire temps, ambient temps, brake temps, humidity, driver skill, etc. Yes, the Mach 1 and 350R are very similar but with all other variables held equal, the 350R is faster. It has more power, bigger brakes, much less weight, more aero. There's no subjectivity to discuss there.

And no, I'm not crapping on the Mach 1. I own a regular GT; so both are already better than my starting platform.

Is the 350r that much lighter? I wouldn’t think it’s much different

 

[Ewheels]

Is the 350r that much lighter? I wouldn’t think it’s much different

Roughly 160 lbs lighter per Google.
Carbon wheels, no back seat, no trunk interior, carbon front mounting structure, no AC, no radio, etc

 

[DarthMalice]

"The Mach 1 is a better track car than PP1, PP2, Bullitt but again, not better than 350R. Everything the Mach 1 has that makes it good, the 350R also has, plus more. (Except the A10. Yes, that is a huge advantage for the Mach 1.)" Seems you negated your own claim.

The 350 crowd doesn't even want to play with the auto. However, I would also say you forgot no lift shift and rev match on the manual. Often when this argument gets heated, the 350 crowd argues to let them mod the car to add those two to "even it up." Well, Ford didn't put them on the 350...sorry. You can argue lighter, carbon wheels...no radio...all of these things to ad nauseum but the fact is we have a better time on the HP. Until someone runs them same day, same person, the HP has the winning time...as small a difference as it was. Cue Dom from Fast and Furious. A win is a win...the guy with the M1 takes the pinks.

 

[Atlas1]

Roughly 160 lbs lighter per Google.
Carbon wheels, no back seat, no trunk interior, carbon front mounting structure, no AC, no radio, etc

thats a base r you're describing. a mach 1 can be ordered without a backseat as well.
even so, that weight difference is not something i would make a big deal about. the advantage i see is in the lighter weight wheels but at the end of the day 160 lbs? thats the difference of having a single passenger or not. ultimately these cars are extremely close with the edge going to the shelby provided the track allows it to take advantage of its horsepower/rpm advantage. also the longer an event goes its larger brakes will help it tremendously. for something like a 1-3 lap run at VIR which was mentioned earlier the brakes are negligible.

 

[Ewheels]

thats a base r you're describing. a mach 1 can be ordered without a backseat as well.
even so, that weight difference is not something i would make a big deal about. the advantage i see is in the lighter weight wheels but at the end of the day 160 lbs? thats the difference of having a single passenger or not. ultimately these cars are extremely close with the edge going to the shelby provided the track allows it to take advantage of its horsepower/rpm advantage. also the longer an event goes its larger brakes will help it tremendously. for something like a 1-3 lap run at VIR which was mentioned earlier the brakes are negligible.

And having a passenger or not makes a huge difference on track. I could noticeably feel the difference when I removed 80 lbs worth. 160 lbs would be massive. My laps times were a second or two slower when I have a passenger as well. It definitely makes a difference.

Larger brakes aren't solely for thermal capacity. Putting the clamping force at a further radius creates a larger braking torque which slows you down quicker.

Anyhow, all I'm trying to say is that on paper, the 350R is faster in every aspect. That's just a fact. How much faster....clearly it's very close to where outside factors make or break it.

Mach 1 is a comparable track car to the 350R: fact
Mach 1 is a faster track car than 350R: false (though A10 might make that close)

 

[Atlas1]

And having a passenger or not makes a huge difference on track. I could noticeably feel the difference when I removed 80 lbs worth. 160 lbs would be massive. My laps times were a second or two slower when I have a passenger as well. It definitely makes a difference.

ok. but lets have just a bit of perspective here. we are talking about two mustangs that could be purchased off a dealer lot. 1 whole second doesn't seem like all that much to me.......

Larger brakes aren't solely for thermal capacity. Putting the clamping force at a further radius creates a larger braking torque which slows you down quicker.

one of the car mags (car & driver maybe?) tested the mach 1 brakes and recorded a stopping distance within 1' of the gt350. not the end all test of braking but again, the difference in performance between the two in the real world is much closer than some would like to admit. again, i think the real difference in braking would be displayed over an extended amount of time.

Anyhow, all I'm trying to say is that on paper, the 350R is faster in every aspect. That's just a fact. How much faster....clearly it's very close to where outside factors make or break it.

100% agree

Mach 1 is a comparable track car to the 350R: fact
Mach 1 is a faster track car than 350R: false (though A10 might make that close)

lap times at VIR say otherwise

 

[S550VIN54]

thats a base r you're describing. a mach 1 can be ordered without a backseat as well.
even so, that weight difference is not something i would make a big deal about. the advantage i see is in the lighter weight wheels but at the end of the day 160 lbs? thats the difference of having a single passenger or not. ultimately these cars are extremely close with the edge going to the shelby provided the track allows it to take advantage of its horsepower/rpm advantage. also the longer an event goes its larger brakes will help it tremendously. for something like a 1-3 lap run at VIR which was mentioned earlier the brakes are negligible.

My plans are to do a track day at VIR in the very near future.

 

[PonyPapa]

Some great and "entertaining" comments and discussion regarding selling. Love reading the forums. All I can say is I have yet to see another (in 8 months) on the road or track making it pretty special. When I track it (already need 2 new Cup2s)....the attention is fun. And it's a blast and fast on the track and just plain fun to drive, period. I love the auto during tracking as I couldn't do any better. I'm 72 years old and having the time of my life! I, too, had no idea what I was getting into when I ordered it last April, making it even more of a overall great experience.

 

[Bit_the_Bullitt]

Might be a different opinion than most, but what is the point of initially buying the car then? I mean, for most, cars are emotional purchases (mine sure was after hearing the Bullitt exhaust).

So what that you can get a good money on it right now? Unless you truly are needing to downsize your car fleet and can take advantage of good resale value, why do it? You'll lose out $ on the other end (even if market's cooling off, which I'm not so sure about), might not get all features or have to wait a long time.

I of course understand drastic changes in one's life situation, but barring that, I really don't understand toying with the idea of selling the cars that quickly back to dealer unless you despise them, which is hard to do with the S550, especially Mach 1.
But I say that very subjectively having ticked 37,000.0 miles on the odo on my way to work as I am truly lucky to DD my Bullitt.

 

[Bit_the_Bullitt]

I sold a truck to carvana for something like $7k more than car max and the new car dealers were offering back in January. No idea if it was a fluke or not, but its worth giving them a shot. Takes 5 minutes online to get the offer with no committment.

Doesn't surprise me as there's been reports with Carvana paying way more than others and I think they are now struggling a tad. Although logging on their website and just looking at available trucks, most are "pending."

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