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Have to call BS on this one ! Our Accord was rock solid, even after being hit hard in the rear & repaired. Went to 150K without any repairs other than a fuel pump & routine maintenance. Had zero warranty issues as well. Was actually still looking & running good when we sold it, but I figured with that mileage stuff was going to start breaking at some point & the wife had to drive thru some rough areas of town to get to work.

Yes, it's mass produced, but so is everything from Ford with the exception of the GT which the vast majority of us cannot afford. It's not intended or marketed as a performance vehicle, so you can't fault it for not being that.

Net is - there is no excuse for the crappy fit & finish on these 'stangs. Go look at a cheap-assed basic Kia and the panels all line up perfectly. If it can be accomplished on a $15k, entry level car why can't Ford get it right on a $40K car :shrug: It's like they took a giant step back to the '70's. Clearly, Flat Rock assembly & QC needs their collective asses kicked or they need to slow the line down a tad ! Not sure what the issue is there, but someone at Ford needs to get it fixed.
What year was your Accord? My family has owned Honda products as well, and they have all been junk with the exception of the 1990 Accord. The 1990 was well built and only required normal maintenance/repairs, but Honda quality went out the window in the mid 90's. The 2001 Odyssey transmission failed at 118K, the 2003 Civic had oil leaks, multiple vibration issues, control arm bushing failure, wheel bearing failure just to name a few, and the 2007 Odyssey has been at the dealer service department more often than it's been on the road. The failure list includes both front power window motors, both power door motors, 2 power steering pumps, the electronic motor mount, 2 wheel bearings, both outer tie rod ends, a fuel tank recall, a faulty torque converter (which Honda refused to replace, instead they reflashed it to make it "less noticeable"), and multiple other issues. I would need to pull the stack of ROs to refresh my memory on all of the problems that piece of trash has had.

And of course, it's directly reflected in Honda's TGW scores:

http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2015-us-initial-quality-study-iqs

Acura is all the way down by Mitsubishi and Land Rover, that speaks volumes about Honda/Acura quality.

You claim to have had "zero warranty issues" and only had to replace a fuel pump on your Accord, I find that extremely hard to believe, as I work on various models of cars every day and I've never seen any Honda go 150K miles with only a single repair. In fact, that would be extremely rare for any model of vehicle. Vehicles are complex mechanical devices, things break and wear out, it's simple physics. If you had an automatic transmission model, then it's damn near impossible that you went 150K miles; they typically don't make it past 100K without requiring replacement. They are so bad that the New York Times even published an article about it:

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/honda-transmission-problems-seem-to-persist/

If you really did manage to get 150K miles out of a Honda product with a single fuel pump repair, go buy a lottery ticket :thumbsup:

As far as body panel alignment, you are comparing apples with oranges. You can't compare the panel fitment of a Hyundai/Kia, which is a box on wheels, to a Mustang, which has a complex body design. Hyundai/Kia doesn't make a vehicle with the curves of a Mustang, so it's an invalid comparison.

If you want to make a valid comparison, compare the panel alignment and build quality of models like the Fiesta, Focus, or Fusion with Kia/Hyundai. You will find that the Ford models in general will have better fit, finish, and panel alignment, and I can tell you that because I've done the comparisons myself (mostly after reading the false statements on this forum about the supposed "perfect" panel alignment on Asian vehicles). If you think Kia has "perfect" panel alignment, then you need to look at more than one example.

I've also been around a lot of S550s, and I can't say I've ever seen one with any actual panel alignment issues. That tells me that it's not as widespread as some people would lead you to believe. However, I have seen some of the pictures of the issues posted on here, and I would agree that these issues should be getting caught at final inspection at the Flat Assembly Plant.

I suppose the best advice (as TikiGT said) is to thoroughly inspect the vehicle before you sign anything. Which, in reality, is something you should do with any expensive purchase. If you're not 100% satisfied, find another model that you are satisfied with.
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It was a mid 90's car, can't remember which year prob. 95/96. It was an auto & there was never any repairs beyond normal maintenance. At 150K when I let it go it still had the original trans, water pump, radiator, a/c compressor & condenser, exhaust. As I said, that's why I traded it, figured some of that stuff had to take a dump @ some point !

Only thing we ever 'fixed' was that fuel pump. We did have to replace some relay thing for the a/c, but that was the fault of my wife deciding to ford a flooded underpass in a storm instead of going around the long way like everyone else was doing.

I don't know where you're looking @ s550's, but I've walked 2 lots while waiting on attempted repairs on mine @ 2 different dealers & could pretty much find at least 1 or 2 (or more) issues with most cars they had in inventory. Some of these new econo boxes have complex body panels too, so don't be so quick to dismiss them. Heck, my 14 year old G35 has some wicked complex curves where the fender & hood meet & it has perfect alignment - so here we are 14 years later (an eternity in the car industry) and Ford's build quality is still trailing cars built ages ago ?? It's BS and they need to up their game !

And I have looked @ the alignment on Ford's lesser models & the trucks and they seem reasonably well screwed together, with only the occasional noticeable issue, so this seems to be a s550 assembly line problem. Someone from corporate needs to pay a visit to the place & thump some heads + interview the line ppl to see why things can't be put together correctly. It's not rocket science, they just need to get off their butts and DO IT !!
 

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Took my GT in today for its first service,told the service manager the hood was out of alignment.They took it to the body shop
and it took 10 minutes to adjust the fender to fix the hood problem.
 
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You got lucky it was that simple. Glad there are some getting resolution to issues at least.
 

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Yes, I did get lucky.Next on the list is the cooled seat TSB dealer ordered new blowers and they are going to fix the loose leather problem at the same time.Hope I'm lucky with that.
 

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Have all of you been able to resolve the alignment issues at your Dealer?

Do these issues still exist on the 17's?
 

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This is one of my issues on my early 2015. The quarter panel is digging into the tail light housing. I have other issues with he doors as well.
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Ford will get the body panel alignment problem fixed just in time for the next generation to come on line. What...you thought that just because Japanese and German cars come with nearly perfect alignment, that Ford could do the same. USA...USA...WE'RE NUMBER ONE!
 

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I'm at dealer #2 (I dropped the car off yesterday evening and told them to keep it a week or two until everything was fixed). They seemed skeptical that anything COULD be done to fix body panel alignment. What a joke.

10,332 miles, and this is dealer visit. . . what, #8?

The car has never been in any sort of collision or bump and has been in for 4 alignments. They are great for about 200 miles and then the car will track straight but the steering wheel drifts farther and farther to the left; right now it's about 3 degrees off to the left again, and is about 400 miles out from its last professional alignment. When I drive straight down the road the wheel is cocked far enough to the left now that I can't see the fuel gauge. I've replaced the tires (and wheels), so that's not it.

The driver's seat creaks massively whenever I shift or go over a bump, there are rattles in the plastic everywhere, and the body panels don't line up. The dealer has told me this is "normal." I've been going through and fixing everything myself because Chapman Ford has been so incompetent. Now I'm trying a new dealer; let's hope they can sort some things out, because right now I'm really quite disappointed.
 

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What year was your Accord? My family has owned Honda products as well, and they have all been junk with the exception of the 1990 Accord. The 1990 was well built and only required normal maintenance/repairs, but Honda quality went out the window in the mid 90's. The 2001 Odyssey transmission failed at 118K, the 2003 Civic had oil leaks, multiple vibration issues, control arm bushing failure, wheel bearing failure just to name a few, and the 2007 Odyssey has been at the dealer service department more often than it's been on the road. The failure list includes both front power window motors, both power door motors, 2 power steering pumps, the electronic motor mount, 2 wheel bearings, both outer tie rod ends, a fuel tank recall, a faulty torque converter (which Honda refused to replace, instead they reflashed it to make it "less noticeable"), and multiple other issues. I would need to pull the stack of ROs to refresh my memory on all of the problems that piece of trash has had.

And of course, it's directly reflected in Honda's TGW scores:

http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2015-us-initial-quality-study-iqs

Acura is all the way down by Mitsubishi and Land Rover, that speaks volumes about Honda/Acura quality.

You claim to have had "zero warranty issues" and only had to replace a fuel pump on your Accord, I find that extremely hard to believe, as I work on various models of cars every day and I've never seen any Honda go 150K miles with only a single repair. In fact, that would be extremely rare for any model of vehicle. Vehicles are complex mechanical devices, things break and wear out, it's simple physics. If you had an automatic transmission model, then it's damn near impossible that you went 150K miles; they typically don't make it past 100K without requiring replacement. They are so bad that the New York Times even published an article about it:

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/honda-transmission-problems-seem-to-persist/

If you really did manage to get 150K miles out of a Honda product with a single fuel pump repair, go buy a lottery ticket :thumbsup:

As far as body panel alignment, you are comparing apples with oranges. You can't compare the panel fitment of a Hyundai/Kia, which is a box on wheels, to a Mustang, which has a complex body design. Hyundai/Kia doesn't make a vehicle with the curves of a Mustang, so it's an invalid comparison.

If you want to make a valid comparison, compare the panel alignment and build quality of models like the Fiesta, Focus, or Fusion with Kia/Hyundai. You will find that the Ford models in general will have better fit, finish, and panel alignment, and I can tell you that because I've done the comparisons myself (mostly after reading the false statements on this forum about the supposed "perfect" panel alignment on Asian vehicles). If you think Kia has "perfect" panel alignment, then you need to look at more than one example.

I've also been around a lot of S550s, and I can't say I've ever seen one with any actual panel alignment issues. That tells me that it's not as widespread as some people would lead you to believe. However, I have seen some of the pictures of the issues posted on here, and I would agree that these issues should be getting caught at final inspection at the Flat Assembly Plant.

I suppose the best advice (as TikiGT said) is to thoroughly inspect the vehicle before you sign anything. Which, in reality, is something you should do with any expensive purchase. If you're not 100% satisfied, find another model that you are satisfied with.

The undereducated style of deflecting to argue a tangent instead of the actual issue of alignment, then taking shots at something based on results from "surveys" that the manufacturers pay to place higher in is laughably absurd. Let's try harder, or at all.
 

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I have mentioned this before, but I had no problems getting my panels aligned. In fact, the misalignment was bothering my service manager and detailer more than me. My service manager really went to bat for me, sending a bunch of pics to Ford and arguing with them to cover the repair costs. First the dealer body shop replaced the decklid but that did not solve the problem. They tried again (ultimately required a taillight replacement) and it turned out nicely. Ford took care of the $2100+ bill. I :love: my dealership for helping fix the quality problems, which frankly, are nothing compared to my crappy Rubicon's.

PS I have the clank, too, but haven't had time to deal with it. Service manager said they will need my car for a few days.
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