Second thoughts on GT PP

[Anthony 5pt0]

the Challenger is a beautiful car, i thought about getting one for a short time frame... but i think you said in an earlier post that you may not be able to afford the scat pack.. and thats the only way I would have bought one, at the end of the day get what you want, you have to pay for it.. not us... For the Mustang, I mean like it has always been if you want something aftermarket everyone and their mother makes something for this car and in so many variations, the 2015 is a fucking awesome car, I love it.. and we haul ass down the road :ford:

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[thehunterooo]

Just wanted to say thanks for this thread and all the great responses on both sides. I had a very similar experience to Pietran30 and had a deposit for a Mustang GT down initially. But in the end , the Challenger Scat Pack won out for me too and I already put down a deposit at Dodge a few weeks ago.

But this forum has been an awesome one where I've learned a lot too and I'll also stick around to keep up with the latest in Mustang world cuz I still love both cars a lot

I still want a lime green scat pack bad, like really bad.

 

[Elusive]

I like Both, they are both fast cars, and each offers its own advantages. You'll def see more mustangs on the road than challengers. The mustang seats had me from the second I sat in them. Very supportive. I will say my wife and her dad and brother wanted to take my mustang to a Christmas light thing on Christmas Eve, that was miserable. They're both 5'7, I'm 6 ft even and my wife is about 5'7. So giving them JUST enough room to fit made it uncomfortable for me and for them. Challenger would be a better DD IMO, but I have an accord for that.

Absolutely agreed. They're both awesome FAST cars with clear advantages in certain categories that turn into disadvantages in others. Lmao GREAT Christmas story! I had a similar scenario when test driving the Mustang, Camaro and Challenger where my brother had to sit in the back seats while the salesmen sat in the passenger seats. We're both 5'10" and have fam that is taller. But I thought he was exaggerating about how tight the back seat was until I actually got back there in the Mustang. And the Camaro was even worse and it felt really cheap inside so it was really never in the running for me. So that was a big factor for me too since the Challenger is my daily driver and I don't have any other cars.

I would have loved to see yall packed in like that tho lol

 

[Elusive]

the Challenger is a beautiful car, i thought about getting one for a short time frame... but i think you said in an earlier post that you may not be able to afford the scat pack.. and thats the only way I would have bought one, at the end of the day get what you want, you have to pay for it.. not us... For the Mustang, I mean like it has always been if you want something aftermarket everyone and their mother makes something for this car and in so many variations, the 2015 is a fucking awesome car, I love it.. and we haul ass down the road :ford:

Yup Anthony. I was only interested in the Scat Pack Challenger if I jumped ship to Dodge, but played around with the numbers and options etc to where it was only about 1-2 grand more for the scat pack nicely configured versus the GT Premium. And I wouldn't need to change to an aftermarket cat back cuz the stock active exhaust on it is AWESOME and also the 20" wheels on it I liked already too.

But the Mustang is a LOT of bang for your buck and that's why it was so hard for me to decide between the two. And you're also right. The aftermarket is stronger for the mustang but I felt like with the scat pack. I wouldn't need to change as much cuz I was already happy with the scat pack package as stock.

Enjoy your ride! I don't think there's a bad way to go with either the mustang or the challenger lol

 

[Elusive]

I still want a lime green scat pack bad, like really bad.

Haha thehunterooo, those are so badass! I think you and I both share a love for the bright impact colors! I effin love that sublime green scat pack as well. I kept going back and forth with my decision between that bright green but I ended up choosing the bright B5 blue. I LOVE the bright throwback heritage colors on these cars in general.

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[Burningcoals]

Literally zero aftermarket for the 6.4L, I couldn't even find a nice supercharger kit. You have to upgrade rods and bottom end in the Dodge.

What keeps me out of a dodge is the issues they have, so many I could not count. Just head on over to the forums and browse the issues threads.

All the suspension components rust bad, good thing dodge basically hides them.

If you want a 630-700hp monster that wont blow up on you 2015 GT is the way to go. The aftermarket is amazing on the Ford.

Personally Dodge was not even in the running, you get what you get stock there is no more to them, Mustang is a base to start modding in any direction.

Personally I would be more concerned about the new Camaro, Active-Exhaust, Magnaride suspension and LT1 out of the gate, seems like a pretty hard to beat combo, Mustang does not have Active-Exhaust or the ability to have Magnaride in the GT. Although you soon should be able to get Active-Exhaust via aftermarket.

 

[113]

Saw my first Hellcat in the wild today. Sublime Green; it was beautiful. I think I'm going to test drive a Scat Pack just to see how different it is, but there is only like 5% chance I'd buy that over a GT Premium w/PP. UConnect also seems like it's the best infotainment system on the market by far - that does matter to me b/c whichever car I buy will be my DD for the next 5+ years.

 

[robb]

Fold the rear seats down in the scatpack and see how far forward you need the front seats. A horrible design flaw. Other than that I like the scatpac a lot. The real factor is the extra $6K for apples to apples. Remember you will need the option to get the HID headlights which puts you at $41k otd for the scatpac.

 

[Elusive]

Saw my first Hellcat in the wild today. Sublime Green; it was beautiful. I think I'm going to test drive a Scat Pack just to see how different it is, but there is only like 5% chance I'd buy that over a GT Premium w/PP. UConnect also seems like it's the best infotainment system on the market by far - that does matter to me b/c whichever car I buy will be my DD for the next 5+ years.

That sublime green is a statement color for sure! And Yea def give the Scat Pack a shot. The only way you'll know is by test driving them both and seeing which you dig more. The scat pack is def a fun car to drive and a torque monster. And the Mustang with the PP is a beast as well. I'd def give the nod to Uconnect over MyFordTouch by a big margin... Chrysler really got it right with that system and that was a big factor for me as well since it's also my DD. Good luck!

Fold the rear seats down in the scatpack and see how far forward you need the front seats. A horrible design flaw. Other than that I like the scatpac a lot. The real factor is the extra $6K for apples to apples. Remember you will need the option to get the HID headlights which puts you at $41k otd for the scatpac.

I'm not sure what you mean about the design flaw with folding down the rear seats? I can put them down without needing to push forward the front seats. Maybe I gotta check that out again so I can see what you mean lol

And yea the Scat Pack will be a bit more in price depending on what options and configurations you choose. But the scat pack I configured was only $2k more than the Mustang GT Premium I had built. But I was also getting some additional options in the scat pack like a super premium Harman Kardon audio system and the bigger 20" wheels already come standard.

But yea you're also right if you go crazy adding every option like sunroofs etc. You can push the base scat pack from around $38-39k to $45-47k. In the Mustang GT Premium I built. I was still at around $43k so the difference wasn't too crazy.

 

[Chargedguard5.0]

I am now regretting mine. I wish I would have waited for a auto. With all this damn construction on my drive to work the manual is becoming a pain in the ass.

 

[Marino]

Another thing to keep in mind: the 8 speed auto in the Challenger is a really good transmission. If you were going to buy a manual, then it's a wash but that auto box really does change the equation quite a bit. Much heavier car with more interior space (particularly the rear) delivers nearly identical fuel economy to the Mustang.

That said, the auto box comes with cylinder deactivation and I'm not sure how Chrysler deals with it but GM's and Honda's systems are both known for excessive oil consumption. I haven't heard anything particularly bad about Chrysler's system but I have heard it is sensitive to changes in oil viscosity due to the valves being held closed by oil presure. Other than that it's a heck of a car.

It's a great transmission but if anything goes wrong it can not be rebuilt. It must be replaced. Dual clutch transmissions don't do well outside of stock power levels. Go on to any of the BMW forums. The auto transmission in the Mustang is better if you plan to do anything power wise to it (supercharger). It will hold the power and can be rebuilt if something goes wrong.

 

[1320']

The 8 speed in the Challenger isn't a DCT. It's a variant of the ZF8HP, the Mustang has a variant of the 6HP.

 

[Br725]

I will say this, if you have a gut feeling that the challenger is what you want, despite some of its flaws, get it. Otherwise, everytime you see one in traffic you'll feel a little pang of desire, and think in the back of your head that you should've gotten the one you REALLY wanted. Don't talk yourself in to or out of it. Just do what you feel is best.

 

[1320']

Right now, as it stands the limiting factor in modifying the 6.4 Hemi is the fact that the ECM is encrypted. right now there are at least two companies that will be selling custom modified ECM units so that you can tune the cars, but that's a different set of challenges. Modern Muscle performance, HHP and Arrington all produced cam and head packages for both the 5.7 and 6.4, the intake manifold on the 6. 4 is an active unit with both short and long runners that is incredibly good out of the box and can still be ported for more power.

Hemi motors can be stroked to make more power if supercharging isn't your deal. the 392 ie the 6.4 can be taken out to 426 and make an easy 600 hp, 625 tq NA. You're going to pay probably the same for stroker kit and machine work as you will for a blower setup.

Fewer aftermarket options for the Hemi cars? Absolutely. more expensive? Sometimes yes. More challenging? Sure. but nonexistent? completely false.

The Challenger is much harder to reduce weight. As it stands the Scat Pack is 4,150ish lbs stock. A rear seat delete, 1pc driveshaft, removing trunk junk, Drycell battery and 2pc brakes front and rear can take you down to about 4000lbs. it will still be about 200 pounds heavier than an equal trim, stock 2015 automatic Mustang.

 

[Tm@c1965]

It won't be that long before Diablosport cracks the code

It was about a year for the 13's. Less for 14's. Aftermarket is better for Stangs, but Magnusson, Edelbrock, Procharger, etc., all make 6-7 psi systems that are safe for Challengers. You can purchase (not necessary) motor/drivetrain insurance for about $1K if you are really worried about the pistons. 7 psi gets you about another 130 HP (crank).

The problem with Challengers is that they use hypertutetic pistons. These are lightweight (great for NA application), but brittle. The upper ringlands tend to eventually crack at boost levels over 8psi (you are on borrowed time running 8-9 psi without forged pistons). 6.4 Hemi's have forged cranks and semi-forged rods (some coating process-I forgot what it's called). The rods are good to 10 psi. For most blower applications over 7 psi, drop in pistons is all you need. These run about $2K. Maggies run about $7K. Prochargers a little less.

If you run high psi boost, or boost plus N02, you will need rods and pistons. Challengers are expensive to mod. But if you got the coin, there are options. A comp cam and long tube headers and tune can get you about 65-85 HP, depending on how aggressive your tune is. Cams are about $1K, and long tubes are $1.5K.

If you run a 90 MM Throttlebody, CAI, and Catbacks, Tune...you get about 35-40 HP. Ported intake...add a little more.

The Stang will respond better to mods, and be cheaper. The Challenger will draw crowds who want to take in it's beauty

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