S550 V6 vs Eco Performance data

[Jamo]

I might just do that myself.
Looking at Ford's homepage, the specification page of the Mustang specifically, it's pretty clear what the characteristics of all 3 engines are going to be.
I am sure you guys know all these by heart, lol, but to me the bore / stroke numbers of all these ford engines were new.

The V6 is a revver, the EB a stroker and the Coyote is square.
The V6 is as light as the EB.
Everything points to the V6 the more I look into this.

Just in case someone cares:
- The V6 is the cheapest - nice, right?
- The V6 is a proven motor that's run up millions of miles in customer hands and no major flaws reported.
- The V6 in NA, which has its qualities driving wise as well as being inherently reliable.
- The V6 is damn near as light as the EB.
- The V6 is a revver by design and looking at piston velocities, there should be NO reason to not rev it past 8k, which is sweet.
- There is no reason a V6 car shouldn't be able (depending on driver) beat the other two at a low speed event like AutoX, given decent tires and perhaps springs / shocks / arb's.

Well, come Monday I'll find out, but from the looks of it, I'll be finding me a base car with 0 options. Because I want 3.73 gears, not 3.55s and the little spoiler that comes with the "meh" 18" wheels and the power seat (which I don't want) looks absolutely awful.

I care. I'm not quite sure how this thread has eluded my scrutiny for so long, but that's a pretty good analysis.
I particularly agree with you about the power seat. I don't want one. And every time I come to a decision, V6 w/3.55, I have to reconsider because I have to take the damn power seat and tht means I cant put an amplifier under there and that I have to sit higher.

By the time you've put in the 3.55, you've paid $1400 for it and the car is no less expensive than an eB. So, you have to get the base. Now, I'm all about that base, but the 3.55 is what pulls the torque curve back to be advantageous at stop light speeds. I don't think I really want the 3.15, though I'd have to live with it to be sure. Changing to a 3.73 is expensive and problematic. You'll get no warranty coverage. Maybe on your whole drive train, I don't know. And if the wrench screws it up, you're toast. Those things vibrate if they're not installed just right. The eB comes with a 3.31 which would have been nice on the V6. But it's $1400 for the 3.55. You get some crumby 18"ers and a damn power seat.

The eB has a very flat first gear and is not fun in modest suburban contexts, IMO. I don't drag race and I really don't want to start modifying cars like most of the EgoBoosters do, that's all they talk about and that seems to be the main point of the eB engine, other than a small mpg savings, which is not significant if you plan on using the boost at all, because power costs gas. So, other than feeling some kumbaya with the Europeans, what's the other main point? Real driving is around town or in the country, not on a race course. O to 60 means very little because of the fellow in front of you and teh cop on the hill and 1/4 mile means nothing. 0 to 30 means something. 5 to 45 means something. And I suspect the V6 3.55 wins those, but nobody's talking.

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[VIN666]

Gears for the stang are like 150. Any competent shop can put em in for about another 150 maybe.
No big deal.
I don't think that putting 3.55s in would void the warranty. They are a factory option!

I now own the v6 and while it won't kill the world, it certainly is quick enough for a daily or general pots around car.
Other option to go quicker: smaller wheels ;)
No warranty voided and with the v6s brakes you can probably put on there what ever you like.

 

[EcoSwag1990]

I care. I'm not quite sure how this thread has eluded my scrutiny for so long, but that's a pretty good analysis.
I particularly agree with you about the power seat. I don't want one. And every time I come to a decision, V6 w/3.55, I have to reconsider because I have to take the damn power seat and tht means I cant put an amplifier under there and that I have to sit higher.

By the time you've put in the 3.55, you've paid $1400 for it and the car is no less expensive than an eB. So, you have to get the base. Now, I'm all about that base, but the 3.55 is what pulls the torque curve back to be advantageous at stop light speeds. I don't think I really want the 3.15, though I'd have to live with it to be sure. Changing to a 3.73 is expensive and problematic. You'll get no warranty coverage. Maybe on your whole drive train, I don't know. And if the wrench screws it up, you're toast. Those things vibrate if they're not installed just right. The eB comes with a 3.31 which would have been nice on the V6. But it's $1400 for the 3.55. You get some crumby 18"ers and a damn power seat.

The eB has a very flat first gear and is not fun in modest suburban contexts, IMO. I don't drag race and I really don't want to start modifying cars like most of the EgoBoosters do, that's all they talk about and that seems to be the main point of the eB engine, other than a small mpg savings, which is not significant if you plan on using the boost at all, because power costs gas. So, other than feeling some kumbaya with the Europeans, what's the other main point? Real driving is around town or in the country, not on a race course. O to 60 means very little because of the fellow in front of you and teh cop on the hill and 1/4 mile means nothing. 0 to 30 means something. 5 to 45 means something. And I suspect the V6 3.55 wins those, but nobody's talking.

The V6 most definitely does not win 0-30 or 0-60. The EB makes far more low end torque which makes it more spirited around town

 

[VIN666]

Anyone in lansing MI wanting to test that theory?

 

[EcoSwag1990]

Anyone in lansing MI wanting to test that theory?

320ft-lb at 3000rpm (Ecoboost)
280ft-lb at 4000rpm (V6)

Come on

 

[VIN666]

Again, it's a theory. It needs testing

 

[BmacIL]

A PP EB is definitely quicker 0-30, 0-60. No question on that and I've verified myself. From 5-30 though, driving modestly (not WOT), the V6 definitely has the advantage. If you're just driving around town (< 1/3 throttle), the V6 drives like a 3.7L V6, whereas the EB mostly drives like a non-turbo 2.3L I4, since you're not getting into higher boost levels.

Again, both are great engines for different tastes. We've beat this one to death already!

 

[Bay1Stang]

Isn't it a driver's race? All magazines have the same times for both engines. Eco has a bit more down low and V6 on top.

 

[VIN666]

Hence my offer to do some highly scientific real world research.
Any eb owners in lansing? Flint? Pontiac?

 

[Asharus]

i'd love to see youtube vids of it if you get a volunteer

 

[Chameleon]

Hence my offer to do some highly scientific real world research.
Any eb owners in lansing? Flint? Pontiac?

Nothing wrong with that. In mexico of course.

 

[EcoSwag1990]

Well I'd be happy to volunteer if anyone is in the PA/DE/Northern MD area. I'm just intake and exhaust for now so it shouldn't be that much of an advantage.

 

[VIN666]

Either mexico or the lapeer drag strip for test and tune

 

[MagneticA]

Did some mountain driving yesterday in my v6. No slouch. Lots of fun gunning it past all those slow lane haulers.

 

[Jamo]

Isn't it a driver's race? All magazines have the same times for both engines. Eco has a bit more down low and V6 on top.

What I'm trying to get away from is the idea that the better application is determined by a race. It's determined by feel of teh engine and fun and enjoyment, not WOT. You can't WOT on a regular basis.

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