Rumor - The GT500 thread

[Process]

Whilst it's very true Ford are pushing EcoBoost, I believe all their EB engines have been built from scratch.....they haven't added turbos to an existing engine.

So, whilst I'd love to see a small capacity Ecoboost V8, my money would be on a supercharged version of the Coyote.

Save the EB V8 for the 7th gen car

Ford did in fact make a concept Ecoboost V8, which was a TT Coyote based 5.0. Remember the 2014 Cobra Jet concept.

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[Twin Turbo]

Ford did in fact make a concept Ecoboost V8, which was a TT Coyote based 5.0. Remember the 2014 Cobra Jet concept.

Oh, I do......and I've seen the engine in person

However, no way would that turbo placement to passed fit for production on a regular Mustang

 

[Process]

^^ agreed on the turbo placement, but that is not to say Ford cannot retool a few things and easily produce an Ecoboost 5.0.

 

[Grimace427]

Ford did in fact make a concept Ecoboost V8, which was a TT Coyote based 5.0. Remember the 2014 Cobra Jet concept.

That engine had nothing to do with Ecoboost, that was for drag racing only. Aftermarket turbo builders have created essentially the same thing.

 

[Process]

That engine had nothing to do with Ecoboost, that was for drag racing only. Aftermarket turbo builders have created essentially the same thing.

Very True, the heart of ecoboost is DI/Turbo, oh wait the coyote is ready for DI as well ;)

 

[Grimace427]

Very True, the heart of ecoboost is DI/Turbo, oh wait the coyote is ready for DI as well ;)

Coyote is ready for DI? How so? If you are referring to the tiny bump in the combustion chamber that was erroneously associated with DI you should look at the opposite side of the cylinder head and wonder where the piezo injector would go.

 

[Process]

Coyote is ready for DI? How so? If you are referring to the tiny bump in the combustion chamber that was erroneously associated with DI you should look at the opposite side of the cylinder head and wonder where the piezo injector would go.

I feel it would be naive to assume Ford does not have a DI configuration of the Coyote 5.0L in testing. I wish I could find the article back from 2010 when Ford was announcing the new Coyote, but it made light mention of factory FI & DI models in it's future generation on their roadmap. Essentially Ford was touting the versatility of the engine program. The Tricor PCM is capable of managing DI fueling today.

Now do I think the GT500 will be a DI/TT 5.0L/5.2L V8? It would make sense, considering Ford's track record. They no longer are just considering Ecoboost to just be for economy, but for performance as well. (EX: Focus ST, Focus RS, Fiesta ST, Fusion Sport, Explorer Sport, Edge Sport, Edge Limited, SVT Raptor, and Ford GT, all have Ecoboost labeled engines and are apart of the Ford Performance programs.)

Could I see the GT500 sporting a 7spd Tremec TR-9007 DCT? Sure I could, perhaps not to the same specifications found within the Ford GT, but this DCT was actually developed for Light and Super Duty trucks in mind, and it's unit cost is very competitive with the PDK found in most Porsche models, the Nissan DCT, and the BMW DCT. Assuming the GT500 will have a starting price in the mid $60,000's, which I'm sure it most likely will, it will put itself in the performance car offerings that have a DCT.

Could it also have an 8 or 10 speed auto, found in new Ford/GM's, sure, I mean the Corvette Z06 is doing wonders with the 8spd auto that it has. But if history tells us much, the last GT500 sourced a similar engine from the Ford GT that was out right before it, and the same transmission. I for some odd reason just do not see a 3.5L TT V6 being offered in the GT500 though, although I would not be surprised.

What really surprises me though is the mention of AWD in the GT500, that a lot of folks are throwing around. I'm not sure we will ever see it in a Mustang in this generation, but I will say this. If this car gets to be around $80,000 with options, it would most likely need AWD and a DCT to remain competitive with it's closer and lighter weight competition in that price range.

 

[Grimace427]

I feel it would be naive to assume Ford does not have a DI configuration of the Coyote 5.0L in testing. I wish I could find the article back from 2010 when Ford was announcing the new Coyote, but it made light mention of factory FI & DI models in it's future generation on their roadmap. Essentially Ford was touting the versatility of the engine program. The Tricor PCM is capable of managing DI fueling today.

You are quoting the exact article I mentioned, written by a jalopnik-level journalist and definitely not from Ford motor company.


http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/08/editorial-do-not-buy-a-2011-mustang-5-0/

 

[Process]

You are quoting the exact article I mentioned, written by a jalopnik-level journalist and definitely not from Ford motor company.


http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/08/editorial-do-not-buy-a-2011-mustang-5-0/

Does this article refer to FI configurations? The one I read did.

 

[Tamadrummer88]

Does this article refer to FI configurations? The one I read did.

I actually remember reading about that as well. I read this article back in 2010 in a Mustang magazine.


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[Hi-PO Stang]

:ford: I do not see Ford offering an Ecoboost V8 in a GT500 because Ford will want to offer something for people that want an option to Ecoboost. Ford will not want to put all its eggs in one basket .

 

[e30og]

:ford: I do not see Ford offering an Ecoboost V8 in a GT500 because Ford will want to offer something for people that want an option to Ecoboost. Ford will not want to put all its eggs in one basket .

I wholeheartedly disagree. Raptor and the Ford GT both are 3.5TT making stupid power, I would imagine a 5.0TT wouldn't be hard to match or well exceed those numbers while still being efficient on the EPA test cycle relative to something supercharged. When I heard the Ford GT was getting a TT I figured it was the Halo for a high performance EB in a Mustang

 

[Tamadrummer88]

Just to mention, Full-Race has test fitted a 3.5 EB into their shop EcoBoost Mustang, and they reported the motor fit with no issue, so there may be a possibility of the 3.5 from the GT going into the GT500 but at a higher power level maybe.

 

[Twin Turbo]

Just to mention, Full-Race has test fitted a 3.5 EB into their shop EcoBoost Mustang, and they reported the motor fit with no issue, so there may be a possibility of the 3.5 from the GT going into the GT500 but at a higher power level maybe.

It may fit, but I wonder if it fits whilst still maintaining the various tolerances Ford require for production :shrug:

 

[Hi-PO Stang]

The GT500 is all about go big or go home. Why would Ford put a runt motor like a 3.5 liter in a GT500 ?

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