REVan Evan Mach 1 Street and Track Testing at Willow Springs

[shogun32]

And the '18+ MT82 gearing?

didn't I just post this? I updated the post above...
https://www.steeda.com/mustang-manual-transmission-guide#/filter:ss_ymm:Mustang$253E2019

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[Angrey]

Good grief........ this is making a mole out of an ant hill.

The Mach 1 was never intended to be a GT350 and vice-versa. Trying to compare the two is moot.

I had two modern B302s and now I’m on my second 350R. Even with the lighter rotating mass and unsprung weight of the R, it can’t match the B302’s low-end grunt at 2-3k rpm. That being said, even though the B302 could rev past 7k, the power dropoff past 6500 rpms compared to the 350R is night and day. They are two excellent Mustangs, yet worlds apart.

The Mach 1 is Ford’s most-capable track car on the market right now (excluding the GT500CFTP) and is a bargain deal for what you get, which is a fantastically fun grocery getter and a stupid sweet weekend track car. Yes, the 350 can still do that, but I get it if no one wants to feel the torque at 4500rpms most the time.It’s not for those cats.

I love my R... I could care less what the guy sitting cross the red light from me in a PP2, GT500, Mach 1 or a Mach E (lol) thinks... we still give each other a thumbs up and keep on keeping on because we both know we have a good choice in cars (Mach E people don’t thumbs-up for some reason, lol).

Let’s all enjoy these great cars before you have to plug one in.

Edited to include: PS, if you think a Mach 1 is just “loud” because of its “flathead firing order”, you probably think Picasso painted with Crayons.

If you actually READ what I wrote, I don't think it's loud because of the firing order, I think the firing order makes it sound trashy. I think MOST coyote exhaust videos don't sound good, they just make the exhaust LOUD and therefore guys think that's a great improvement. It's my personal taste. I could post dozens of pushrod clips and 4V clips and voodoo clips that all sound like mechanical pornography. It's VERY difficult to find a good sounding coyote. Most of them sound like the older motors with a trash pair of flowmasters on them. The firing order changed the secondary pulses of the motor and now it just sounds raw and unrefined. Some guys dig that. I don't. Probably goes part and parcel with my affinity for the sound of the voodoo which is much more organized and exotic (comparatively).

 

[Mikepol2]

If you actually READ what I wrote, I don't think it's loud because of the firing order, I think the firing order makes it sound trashy. I think MOST coyote exhaust videos don't sound good, they just make the exhaust LOUD and therefore guys think that's a great improvement. It's my personal taste. I could post dozens of pushrod clips and 4V clips and voodoo clips that all sound like mechanical pornography. It's VERY difficult to find a good sounding coyote. Most of them sound like the older motors with a trash pair of flowmasters on them. The firing order changed the secondary pulses of the motor and now it just sounds raw and unrefined. Some guys dig that. I don't. Probably goes part and parcel with my affinity for the sound of the voodoo which is much more organized and exotic (comparatively).

You might have more fun over here...

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/why-the-mach1-is-a-rip-off.155387/page-18#post-3176959

I've driven both a GT350 and a Mach 1 (and have a lot more seat time in the GT350). It would be more interesting to hear your thoughts if you had driven them both as well.

 

[DrumReaper]

If you actually READ what I wrote, I don't think it's loud because of the firing order, I think the firing order makes it sound trashy. I think MOST coyote exhaust videos don't sound good, they just make the exhaust LOUD and therefore guys think that's a great improvement. It's my personal taste. I could post dozens of pushrod clips and 4V clips and voodoo clips that all sound like mechanical pornography. It's VERY difficult to find a good sounding coyote. Most of them sound like the older motors with a trash pair of flowmasters on them. The firing order changed the secondary pulses of the motor and now it just sounds raw and unrefined. Some guys dig that. I don't. Probably goes part and parcel with my affinity for the sound of the voodoo which is much more organized and exotic (comparatively).

Meh... you’re comparing videos to real-life audio. Not a lot of people really know how to prep a mic for a realistic audio experience, so you trash the sound of Coyotes for it... lol. That makes zero sense.

Back in 2015, Ford released a video of a GT350R at a reveal. The motor was revved a couple of times and then shut down. The sound wasn’t fully translated through the mic well, but it seemed to be effective enough to relay to internet listeners that the sound was new and intoxicating. Even Ford didn’t get the mic right, but it worked.

ARH made a video of a GT350 with their longtubes sans resonators in, I think, late 2016, early 2017. Now that audio was great but you could still hear mic-audio issues at the uppers revs because of the harmonics created by the voodoo. But man that sounded great.

Lastly, a stock B302 was a Coyote but codenamed “Roadrunner”. I’d challenge you find a better sounding stock Ford engine than the 2012-2013 B302, as that quad-exhaust was intoxicating throughout the band, but sounded Like the brass section of the philharmonic orchestra at 4500-6000 rpms. Yes, the voodoo sounds awesome but I’m on the fence as to which actually sounds better. Could you imagine the Voodoo with that side-dump B302 exhaust?

No offense, but I can’t blanket Coyotes as sounding harsh, bad, terrible, crappy or whatever just because your taste is your taste.

 

[Mikepol2]

Meh... you’re comparing videos to real-life audio. Not a lot of people really know how to prep a mic for a realistic audio experience, so you trash the sound of Coyotes for it... lol. That makes zero sense.

No offense, but I can’t blanket Coyotes as sounding harsh, bad, terrible, crappy or whatever just because your taste is your taste.

I did NOT like the sound of my stock Gen 3 Coyote, like many (most)? Other owners. But the sound of the Mach during the test drive... wow. They did make minor changes to the exhaust note specific to the Mach and I loved it. ZERO plans for any exhaust mods, but then again I prefer deep rumble to raspier tones.

 

[DrumReaper]

I did NOT like the sound of my stock Gen 3 Coyote, like many (most)? Other owners. But the sound of the Mach during the test drive... wow. They did make minor changes to the exhaust note specific to the Mach and I loved it. ZERO plans for any exhaust mods, but then again I prefer deep rumble to raspier tones.

Is the Mach 1 a Coyote?

 

[Mikepol2]

Is the Mach 1 a Coyote?

As a matter of fact, it is!

 

[DrumReaper]

As a matter of fact, it is!

*Gavel Hit x 3*

I rest my case your honor.

 

[S550VIN54]

I tend to agree with you as my Boss 302 was awesome and I really liked the sound of my gt350 too but there was definitely something unique in the Boss sound it made. My neighbor would attest to it a well as he liked the Boss exhaust...now that's coming from a GM fan...lol. I recently sat in the Mach 1 and was able to start it up but did not get to drive and was impressed with the exhaust note over the 2019 Bullitt I use to own if I remember correctly.
It would be interesting if someone could verify the Bullit and Mach 1 sound different.

 

[Mikepol2]

It would be interesting if someone could verify the Bullit and Mach 1 sound different.

In one of the reviews a Ford engineer talks about it. They at one point describe it as having more rasp, but I don't agree with that at all based on my test drive.

https://www.fordmuscle.com/features...ach-1-pushes-the-non-shelby-s550-to-its-peak/

There’s also a video from our friend Stangmode that has a nice startup sound clip of a Mach next to a GT350 where the Mach’s tone is decidedly deeper at 3:10.

 

[Charlemagne]

In the comparison of both exhausts above, I like Mach 1 deeper exhaust note much more than raspier GT350. Both surely have their qualities and their fans, each to his own.

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