Procharger Questions

[whatsup62]

Thanks!

I remember reading that thread as well. I think the P1X is like $200 and the D1SC is $250 or something like that. The D1X was $400 I think as well. So money wise, not a big jump.

I’ll check out your build!

That is correct...do it now because after the fact its a 2k upgrade !

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[Torinate]

Exactly!

So this is my dilemma. It’s a cheap upgrade right now and easy to do. I don’t want to go too far (F1) as I will not be going to that extreme again. With that said, I also know that I would like the option for “more” in the future. So really, I’m looking at the P1X at a minimum and the D1X as the max with the D1SC in the middle. I like the newer designs (X) but know that any and all will fit my needs. Starting at the P1X, there’s only $250 difference between them. Do they all use the same bearings? What would be the reasons to choose one over the other besides max power?

 

[Barrel]

If you're staying under 900whp then get the D1SC. Impeller design and volute are different between D1SC and D1X. In the midrange it appears the D1SC is superior but is slightly less capable than the D1X for max effort.

 

[ahl395]

Exactly!

So this is my dilemma. It’s a cheap upgrade right now and easy to do. I don’t want to go too far (F1) as I will not be going to that extreme again. With that said, I also know that I would like the option for “more” in the future. So really, I’m looking at the P1X at a minimum and the D1X as the max with the D1SC in the middle. I like the newer designs (X) but know that any and all will fit my needs. Starting at the P1X, there’s only $250 difference between them. Do they all use the same bearings? What would be the reasons to choose one over the other besides max power?

As said besides max power, where the power is will change depending on the blower. D1X has the highest max hp but will have a weaker midrange. P1X and D1SC will have a strong midrange, P1X can rev higher but I believe the D1SC can make a little bit more power. What is your whp goal?

 

[ProChargerTECH]

As said besides max power, where the power is will change depending on the blower. D1X has the highest max hp but will have a weaker midrange. P1X and D1SC will have a strong midrange, P1X can rev higher but I believe the D1SC can make a little bit more power. What is your whp goal?

Unless a person is planning on running E85 all the time, or a built motor. The P1X really is a killer blower on these cars.

(even my race car, is getting a P1X, just to see how fast I can get it to go)
Stock 2016 Coyote, and 6R80 trans)

 

[Torinate]

Unless a person is planning on running E85 all the time, or a built motor. The P1X really is a killer blower on these cars.

(even my race car, is getting a P1X, just to see how fast I can get it to go)
Stock 2016 Coyote, and 6R80 trans)

I’m interested to see what it will do!

Looking at the CFM ratings, the regular D1SC appears to be on par with the Paxton NOVI 2200. The P1X is less and the D1X is more. Is that a fair comparison? The prochargers all can spin higher. Is the CFM rating at max impeller rpm?

I’m likely way over thinking this... ALL would be fantastic, but the cost to upgrade initially is so small, to me, it’s a no brainer. Believe me, I’ve done each of the “next steps” in the past and this time just want to do it once.

Likely max goal is the 750-800 whp Range on crappy 93 octane. Sorry. No E85 in Ontario. Meth injection is doable. But I am NOT wanting to make this over complicated or too unstreetable. I went too far last time and this time I want the reliability and the streetability of “stock” with the added horsepower of the blower. If the goal is too high for the street ability, obviously I’ll adjust accordingly.

So not looking max effort. Basically blower, tune, intake, cat deletes, fuel system. Am I wrong in thinking this would be completely fine as a daily driver?

What does this equate to powerwise between the different blowers?

Thanks for the guidance!

 

[Jay-rod427]

Will be a struggle to get 750+ on 93 without meth/additive. The P1X can get there for boost, but you will be held up short of it's max ability. But then in the future your goal will change;).

 

[SVT-DADDY]

Will be a struggle to get 750+ on 93 without meth/additive. The P1X can get there for boost, but you will be held up short of it's max ability. But then in the future your goal will change;).

Great post, this is really what it comes down to. From a daily driver perspective, unless your in an area that you think might be getting E85 your going to capped by the limits of 93.

I also add, as a 300lb guy who drives a vert on the street only.....These cars basically make peak hp at max RPM. Car's making 700whp at 7700 are only making 650 at 7000. That's cool for racing and HP bragging rights, but not so much for a heavy street car.
How often are you really going to take advantage of your max power at 7700rpm? Bigger isn't always better, I'd focus on power under the curve. Keep the blower spinning a little more, and more in the middle of it's curve. In the Procharger world I'd probably opt for the D1SC or P1X

 

[Torinate]

Will be a struggle to get 750+ on 93 without meth/additive. The P1X can get there for boost, but you will be held up short of it's max ability. But then in the future your goal will change;).

Lol. I know all about the new goals... that’s what I’m hoping to avoid. Each step of making more power takes a little away from the streetability factor. Of course, if a little is good than more is better... if the realistic goal of achieving a truly streetable daily driver is an honest and repeatable 680-700 whp then so be it. I’m not chasing a number. However, sometimes the difference is in the details.

I’m not wanting to make this a less enjoyable car and loose streetability to pick up a few tenths in the quarter. Heck, I’m not doing a cage in the car so will be relegated to track rentals and tech guys looking the other way on days I’m able to get there. But for the street... I know. I’ve been a boost junkie in the past. Adding a pound of boost then 2 pounds then a bigger head unit then another pound and then all of a sudden I need a new motor as the rod is now sticking out the side of the block. Been there. Also the 150 jets are good so let’s try the 200’s. NIce! Let’s try the 250’s next. Maybe a 2nd kit...

Not wanting the “torque it until the bolt snaps then back it off a half turn” kind of thing.

I want to it run HARD and yet be able to drive it daily without any added fanfare or worry. To get in and drive it for 500 miles on a trip and not have to take tools and octane boost and baby the car to do it. I don’t want to HAVE to work on it every week unless I want to.

I’m sure there are members here doing exactly that. The setups may be a little different, but the end result could be the same.

Is this realistic or am I dreaming?

Would I be better off with a different combo?

 

[Jay-rod427]

Will easily still be able to daily drive, or 500 mile trip. All in a matter of how much you push the fun pedal. But you will def be limited by fuel. 650 whp should be doable on 93, and will be a blast to drive.

I'm working on a P1X build for next spring. Got the blower already, just need fuel system and injectors. I will be on E85 though. Hoping to run 9.90's @ 140 ish. Figure that will take the 750-800 whp range.

 

[SVT-DADDY]

I want to it run HARD and yet be able to drive it daily without any added fanfare or worry. To get in and drive it for 500 miles on a trip and not have to take tools and octane boost and baby the car to do it. I don’t want to HAVE to work on it every week unless I want to.

I’m sure there are members here doing exactly that. The setups may be a little different, but the end result could be the same.

Is this realistic or am I dreaming?

Would I be better off with a different combo?

Here's a little story for you:
My wife was away for the weekend so it was the perfect time to be locked in the garage with pizza, beer, and my car for the weekend.

I started my blower install Friday night, had it done by Sunday afternoon. Worked from home Monday to do the first couple data logs and tune revisions. Got up Tuesday for work and the car was gone. The wife figured since I had the car all weekend into Monday, it was her turn. Because she wasn't around for most of the weekend she had forgotten about the supercharger going on. Here's the exchange:

Me-How is the car?(sarcastically)
Her-(Top down on Bluetooth)...great!
Me-I am not finished tuning it!
Her- Why are you tuning it?
Me-I just installed the supercharger!
Her-I think you wasted your money because I can't tell a difference!
Me-Step on the gas
Her-!@#$%^&

She drives the car more than I do(I work downtown), never complained once. Actually has a bunch of kills with it. It's our family toy so we take it on road trips all the time and enjoy the hell out of it. For me if you can't drive the car across country without worrying about it, it becomes a toy rather than a vehicle. I have those too.....THEY NEVER GET USED. Heck I am actually going to teach my daughters to drive stick with it before I change the clutch! Sounds crazy for a legit 700whp car right?

Since the install I've dropped down another pulley size(2 total), and deleted the cats. Probably added another 60-75 horse. Still no complaints from the wife.......and none from the engine. Hoping to keep it that way......capacity is a dangerous thing!

 

[ahl395]

I’m interested to see what it will do!

Looking at the CFM ratings, the regular D1SC appears to be on par with the Paxton NOVI 2200. The P1X is less and the D1X is more. Is that a fair comparison? The prochargers all can spin higher. Is the CFM rating at max impeller rpm?

I’m likely way over thinking this... ALL would be fantastic, but the cost to upgrade initially is so small, to me, it’s a no brainer. Believe me, I’ve done each of the “next steps” in the past and this time just want to do it once.

Likely max goal is the 750-800 whp Range on crappy 93 octane. Sorry. No E85 in Ontario. Meth injection is doable. But I am NOT wanting to make this over complicated or too unstreetable. I went too far last time and this time I want the reliability and the streetability of “stock” with the added horsepower of the blower. If the goal is too high for the street ability, obviously I’ll adjust accordingly.

So not looking max effort. Basically blower, tune, intake, cat deletes, fuel system. Am I wrong in thinking this would be completely fine as a daily driver?

What does this equate to powerwise between the different blowers?

Thanks for the guidance!

Lol. I know all about the new goals... that’s what I’m hoping to avoid. Each step of making more power takes a little away from the streetability factor. Of course, if a little is good than more is better... if the realistic goal of achieving a truly streetable daily driver is an honest and repeatable 680-700 whp then so be it. I’m not chasing a number. However, sometimes the difference is in the details.

I’m not wanting to make this a less enjoyable car and loose streetability to pick up a few tenths in the quarter. Heck, I’m not doing a cage in the car so will be relegated to track rentals and tech guys looking the other way on days I’m able to get there. But for the street... I know. I’ve been a boost junkie in the past. Adding a pound of boost then 2 pounds then a bigger head unit then another pound and then all of a sudden I need a new motor as the rod is now sticking out the side of the block. Been there. Also the 150 jets are good so let’s try the 200’s. NIce! Let’s try the 250’s next. Maybe a 2nd kit...

Not wanting the “torque it until the bolt snaps then back it off a half turn” kind of thing.

I want to it run HARD and yet be able to drive it daily without any added fanfare or worry. To get in and drive it for 500 miles on a trip and not have to take tools and octane boost and baby the car to do it. I don’t want to HAVE to work on it every week unless I want to.

I’m sure there are members here doing exactly that. The setups may be a little different, but the end result could be the same.

Is this realistic or am I dreaming?

Would I be better off with a different combo?

I don't think anyone has maxed out a P1X yet, they're capable of making 20+ pounds of boost. You will never be able to run anywhere near 20psi on 93 even with meth. I would stick to the P1X because you'll never need to surpass it's abilities.based on your fuel (and stock motor).

As already pointed out 700+ is hard to do with 93. 12psi/17* timing is usually the most you can get out of 93 safely. I am a huge advocate for meth injection however and that will help you meet your goals. I'm running a P1X on 93 and meth, shooting for 800whp myself (dynoing soon). On 93 I got 15-17* timing @ 12psi. On meth I can do 20-21* @ 15psi.

More power does not necessarily mean less streetability. As long as you have a good tune (Lund myself) throttle response will be fine for the street. I've put 40k miles on my car in under a year and a half, supercharged since 6k. I've taken countless roadtrips and drive it to work often.

It seems like alot of your goals are the same as mine, take a look at my build log if you'd like

Will be a struggle to get 750+ on 93 without meth/additive. The P1X can get there for boost, but you will be held up short of it's max ability. But then in the future your goal will change;).

+1. I think the P1X is more than enough here. I can verify that it can do over 20psi on a 3.85" pulley without overspinning.

Great post, this is really what it comes down to. From a daily driver perspective, unless your in an area that you think might be getting E85 your going to capped by the limits of 93.

I also add, as a 300lb guy who drives a vert on the street only.....These cars basically make peak hp at max RPM. Car's making 700whp at 7700 are only making 650 at 7000. That's cool for racing and HP bragging rights, but not so much for a heavy street car.
How often are you really going to take advantage of your max power at 7700rpm? Bigger isn't always better, I'd focus on power under the curve. Keep the blower spinning a little more, and more in the middle of it's curve. In the Procharger world I'd probably opt for the D1SC or P1X

This brings up a great point. For street use I would strongly recommend looking into wastegating the Procharger. It won't help your peak number, but it will help tremendously in the midrange and make boost build instantly. This made my car SO much more fun on the street.

 

[Torinate]

I don't think anyone has maxed out a P1X yet, they're capable of making 20+ pounds of boost. You will never be able to run anywhere near 20psi on 93 even with meth. I would stick to the P1X because you'll never need to surpass it's abilities.based on your fuel (and stock motor).

As already pointed out 700+ is hard to do with 93. 12psi/17* timing is usually the most you can get out of 93 safely. I am a huge advocate for meth injection however and that will help you meet your goals. I'm running a P1X on 93 and meth, shooting for 800whp myself (dynoing soon). On 93 I got 15-17* timing @ 12psi. On meth I can do 20-21* @ 15psi.

More power does not necessarily mean less streetability. As long as you have a good tune (Lund myself) throttle response will be fine for the street. I've put 40k miles on my car in under a year and a half, supercharged since 6k. I've taken countless roadtrips and drive it to work often.

It seems like alot of your goals are the same as mine, take a look at my build log if you'd like





+1. I think the P1X is more than enough here. I can verify that it can do over 20psi on a 3.85" pulley without overspinning.



This brings up a great point. For street use I would strongly recommend looking into wastegating the Procharger. It won't help your peak number, but it will help tremendously in the midrange and make boost build instantly. This made my car SO much more fun on the street.

Thanks!

Yea, looks like we have similar goals for sure. I do like the idea of wastegating for sure. Can spin the blower a little harder to capture a little higher boost lower in the RPMs. Sounds like the P1X may be the right choice. But here we go again, for only $50 I could get the D1SC! Is that a better option?

My build will be very similar to yours overall. Except I’m in a heavy ass convertible! Of course, that alone makes the car “feel” faster lol.

Yea, we have decent gas here but no E 85. Meth is available. So that may be an option. I’m Lund tuned and they will again tune it after. How high are you spinning the car and the blower now? I see you have the 18 manifolds as well. Did that make a big difference with the blower? I do love the straight cut gears as well. Reminds me of all my old Vortechs lol. Most people thought it was just a gear drive for the cam...

I’ve read a few different posts on different boards - even a back to back D1SC vs D1X and the X made less power until 6200 rom then took over. Different car, Motor etc though. Not sure where the P1X stands with those.

 

[lightrules]

For street use I would strongly recommend looking into wastegating the Procharger. It won't help your peak number, but it will help tremendously in the midrange and make boost build instantly. This made my car SO much more fun on the street.

i've heard this before. but how expensive and difficult (installation) is it to using a wastegate for the blower? where does this mount?

 

[ahl395]

Thanks!

Yea, looks like we have similar goals for sure. I do like the idea of wastegating for sure. Can spin the blower a little harder to capture a little higher boost lower in the RPMs. Sounds like the P1X may be the right choice. But here we go again, for only $50 I could get the D1SC! Is that a better option?

My build will be very similar to yours overall. Except I’m in a heavy ass convertible! Of course, that alone makes the car “feel” faster lol.

Yea, we have decent gas here but no E 85. Meth is available. So that may be an option. I’m Lund tuned and they will again tune it after. How high are you spinning the car and the blower now? I see you have the 18 manifolds as well. Did that make a big difference with the blower? I do love the straight cut gears as well. Reminds me of all my old Vortechs lol. Most people thought it was just a gear drive for the cam...

I’ve read a few different posts on different boards - even a back to back D1SC vs D1X and the X made less power until 6200 rom then took over. Different car, Motor etc though. Not sure where the P1X stands with those.

I believe the D1SC has a little higher headroom, but you probably won't reach that anyway. It can't be spun as fast either so if you're going for a high-revving wastegate setup I think the P1X will be better. The two blowers seem very close to each other in terms of specs though... Maybe PCTech can clarify any small differences or advantages.

Lund will tune for meth but I had to persuade them to do it. Dakota has been excellent. I rev to 7800 which spins the blower to about 66k, just 1k over "max". The 18 manifold made a noticable difference from 6k up, it pulls much harder and with the added RPM I can get up to speed much faster (3rd ends at ~150mph versus ~130mph at my 7200rpm redline previously) Definitely recommend the manifold. It pairs very nicely with the wastegate to give plenty of midrange power but also excel in the upper RPMs without falling off.

I love the straight cut gears after I heard them in person, I curse myself every day for getting the Helical lol.

It is known that the D1X will make more power up high but less power in the midrange. The D1SC and P1X will be very similar in the midrange I believe (and better than the D1X), hopefully PCTech can confirm but it seems the power delivery of the P1X and D1SC are very similar.

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