PP2 Ford Performance Tune

[MRGTX]

It seems nuts to have to pay to have this kit installed...will Ford really not honor the warranty if we do it ourselves? Is this a case where the burden of proof would be on them to find fault with the install before denying a claim?

Imo this pack shines bright if you have a newer car and want to upgrade rear gears and refine the drivability of the car, while keeping some of your warranty. The peak power gains aren't super relevant, its mostly what you pick up under the curve that's worthwhile.

I already did the 4.09 swap in my 2020 and the Procal appeals to me if for no reason other than it will get me through CT emissions in a couple years. The Lund tune will almost certainly fail as my Bama tune failed emissions for my S197 (despite no CELs).

If the rest of the kit and the tune really improves the car this much, I might as well buy the whole pack along with the Procal.

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[StangTime]

It seems nuts to have to pay to have this kit installed...will Ford really not honor the warranty if we do it ourselves? Is this a case where the burden of proof would be on them to find fault with the install before denying a claim?



I already did the 4.09 swap in my 2020 and the Procal appeals to me if for no reason other than it will get me through CT emissions in a couple years. The Lund tune will almost certainly fail as my Bama tune failed emissions for my S197 (despite no CELs).

If the rest of the kit and the tune really improves the car this much, I might as well buy the whole pack along with the Procal.

I would like to know this myself just so I know where I stand. From what I keep reading, IF there is a powertrain issue and you do a warranty claim, it has to go through Ford Performance first. Not sure how that works really. Do you have to send in your receipt from an ASE for proof? Does Ford get an alert that a Ford Performance tune was loaded and somehow that gets linked to the VIN?
I am guessing until someone actually files a claim and posts about it, there will be some mystery. I feel safe going with this Ford tune more than anything and highly doubt the gains will ever cause enough stress to result in a failure.

 

[Dave2013M3]

I’m more interested in this kit than ever but I’m still a bit skeptical since larger TBs and CAIs have offered very little performance benefit since the Coyote showed up. Basically it has been something like a tune and a CAI would find about more 30 more peak hp and the tune alone was worth 25ish out of that 30...so the last 5hp represented 70% of the cost.

I don’t ever remember hearing that larger throttle bodies helped these motors in naturally aspirated form.

I’m psyched to hear that folks are happy with this kit but I’m still really looking forward to some dyno/strip verification that this is more than a throttle curve adjustment.

Here is one members dyno...

 

[IamCDNJosh]

I’m more interested in this kit than ever but I’m still a bit skeptical since larger TBs and CAIs have offered very little performance benefit since the Coyote showed up. Basically it has been something like a tune and a CAI would find about more 30 more peak hp and the tune alone was worth 25ish out of that 30...so the last 5hp represented 70% of the cost.

I don’t ever remember hearing that larger throttle bodies helped these motors in naturally aspirated form.

I’m psyched to hear that folks are happy with this kit but I’m still really looking forward to some dyno/strip verification that this is more than a throttle curve adjustment.

Its likely that the new TB was utilized because it would provide a proper seal on the GT350 intake. Less development costs to be able to utilize off the shelf parts rather than develop a new intake. I believe the only new part developed was the TB adapter.

 

[IamCDNJosh]

It's the drivability improvements from the Ford tune that make it feel better than a Lund tune.

Lund nor any other tuner has acess to all the tables in the tune. Ford does.

Roush does as well, I'd put them on par with the Ford Performance offering. I've got their PP1 because the tune is adaptive for lower octane if needed.

 

[K4fxd]

I think you are correct about Roush.

 

[Porsche Dude]

I would like to know this myself just so I know where I stand. From what I keep reading, IF there is a powertrain issue and you do a warranty claim, it has to go through Ford Performance first. Not sure how that works really. Do you have to send in your receipt from an ASE for proof? Does Ford get an alert that a Ford Performance tune was loaded and somehow that gets linked to the VIN?
I am guessing until someone actually files a claim and posts about it, there will be some mystery. I feel safe going with this Ford tune more than anything and highly doubt the gains will ever cause enough stress to result in a failure.

You have to register with Ford Performance to download the tune, and they will have all of your cars information attached to it. If it is done at a Ford dealership, which by default is an FP dealer, that information is cross referenced and any problems / warranty work should be straight forward. For this reason alone, I think it best to do at a Ford dealership. Private shops can also do this but warranty work could become muddied, if there is warranty work needed.

 

[StangTime]

You have to register with Ford Performance to download the tune, and they will have all of your cars information attached to it. If it is done at a Ford dealership, which by default is an FP dealer, that information is cross referenced and any problems / warranty work should be straight forward. For this reason alone, I think it best to do at a Ford dealership. Private shops can also do this but warranty work could become muddied, if there is warranty work needed.

So let's say I do the physical work of installing the parts. Then I have the dealer give it a quick once over and they upload the tune. They would charge me for an hour's labor and I would have the warranty?

 

[Porsche Dude]

So let's say I do the physical work of installing the parts. Then I have the dealer give it a quick once over and they upload the tune. They would charge me for an hour's labor and I would have the warranty?

You won't be able to drive the car until it is uploaded, it will go into limp mode if you do. I am not sure a tech would jump in halfway through a job. Either do it all, or do none of it. If you chat with the tech's at FP, they will be able to give you the correct tire rotations per mile in relation to your tire size, this is critical.

 

[MRGTX]

Here is one members dyno...

That’s directly from Ford, correct?

 

[Dave2013M3]

That’s directly from Ford, correct?

No its from a member here on the forums. That is with 93 octane, his 91 octane run made 5rwhp less.

 

[shogun32]

they will be able to give you the correct tire rotations per mile in relation to your tire size, this is critical.

you keep saying that but Ican't imagine how RPM wouldn't be anything more than an input variable whose accuracy is at best a suggestion. Nobody is about to use the same tires on their car once they have a tune. Any tune that can't deal with +/- at least in inch in diameter and furthermore doesn't have detection/correction adjustments built into it is written by idiots.

There are 3 sensors that never lie. crank, wheel and some combination of trans output shaft or gear selection. Any change in Diff ratios and tire size become quickly apparent.

 

[Porsche Dude]

you keep saying that but Ican't imagine how RPM wouldn't be anything more than an input variable whose accuracy is at best a suggestion. Nobody is about to use the same tires on their car once they have a tune. Any tune that can't deal with +/- at least in inch in diameter and furthermore doesn't have detection/correction adjustments built into it is written by idiots.

There are 3 sensors that never lie. crank, wheel and some combination of trans output shaft or gear selection. Any change in Diff ratios and tire size become quickly apparent.

The reason I say it is I had to be towed twice back to the dealership after install, and tire RPM settings was part of it. I use different size wheels and tires for the winter months, and when I put my OEM wheels with the Cup 2's back on, I will have to put the matching RPM number back into the settings of the Procal. I had no idea. FP will provide you with the correct RPM numbers.

 

[shogun32]

and when I put my OEM wheels with the Cup 2's back on, I will have to put the matching RPM number back into the settings of the Procal.

that's retarded. What next? Limp mode because you air'd down your tires for a track day from 32 to 28?

 

[StangTime]

The reason I say it is I had to be towed twice back to the dealership after install, and tire RPM settings was part of it. I use different size wheels and tires for the winter months, and when I put my OEM wheels with the Cup 2's back on, I will have to put the matching RPM number back into the settings of the Procal. I had no idea. FP will provide you with the correct RPM numbers.

Are you using the Procal device to enter those numbers in by yourself? It's not difficult to get those rotation numbers.

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