Porsche issues

[Rubyred17]

Several guys have expressed concern
about the 5.2 longevity and jumped to Porsche

You might find this interesting. No brand is exempt from issues.I suggest jumping into your 350, switch to sport and drive it !!

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=231&t=1923483&i=0

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[ecoboost321]

So sad. General consensus among enthusiasts is that last generation of true Porsches were made before Volkswagen group took ownership.

 

[Brian@BMVK]

People forget about IMS bearings and bore scoring on the M96 and M97 engines so quickly, apparently.

 

[ecoboost321]

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/...ger-engine-porsche-legend-created-by-a-genius

 

[THX 138]

People forget about IMS bearings and bore scoring on the M96 and M97 engines so quickly, apparently.

I don't, but then I just spent a large sum of money having my Boxster's engine reconstructed and increased to 3.8L by Flat 6 Innovations. (Money well spent though, in my case at least, because I love the car and their Stage II Track Performer package was a HUGE improvement, both in performance and reliability.)

If you really want to be shocked at Porsche, do a Google search for images on "cayman gt4 strut tower failure."

 

[-RAC-]

People forget about IMS bearings and bore scoring on the M96 and M97 engines so quickly, apparently.

Not me. I had a 911 M96 and no IMS problems. Had almost 90k on it when I sold it.

 

[m3incorp]

I call it people issues. I really don't mind that other people want to drive something else...heck I do from time to time .

 

[Hack]

Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but WOW! TRANSPARENCY about a potential engine defect?!?! Huh, pretty crazy.

So Porsche isn't just letting everyone drive their cars and roll the dice? And then replace only the engines that fail. They are actually working ahead and telling people exactly what's wrong.

F'n AMAZING.

Sorry guys but I don't see that information as much of a negative. I think defects can happen, but how the manufacturer chooses to react is very telling.

Maybe you actually DO get some value for all the $$ buying the Porsche brand.

 

[THX 138]

Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but WOW! TRANSPARENCY about a potential engine defect?!?! Huh, pretty crazy.

So Porsche isn't just letting everyone drive their cars and roll the dice? And then replace only the engines that fail. They are actually working ahead and telling people exactly what's wrong.

F'n AMAZING.

Sorry guys but I don't see that information as much of a negative. I think defects can happen, but how the manufacturer chooses to react is very telling.

Maybe you actually DO get some value for all the $$ buying the Porsche brand.

Has Ford identified a specific part or parts in the Voodoo that have a known manufacturing defect that will cause an imminent engine failure? If they have, this is the first I've heard about it. Which part is it, specifically? And if they haven't, what would you have them do?

By contrast, when Ford discovered improperly-crimped oil lines back in 2017, they did exactly as you suggest: Issued a recall and a stop-sale, and notified owners not to drive their cars until the new oil lines could be installed. Specific issue identified, owners notified, engines spared.

On the other hand, Porsche knew for years that the IMS bearings--a specific part on their M96 and M97 engines--were failing right and left, turning those engines into expensive doorstops. While they redesigned the bearings no fewer than three times, they left owners to fend for themselves, never even offering so much as an extended warranty. They didn't own up to the issue until a class action was filed years later. And they have never owned up to the GT4 strut tower issue noted in the photo above, essentially telling owners "sorry, you shouldn't hit the curbing on track." Great... So you bought a track-ready car that you can't drive on the racing line. Nice.

I wouldn't be patting Porsche on the back too much here, or pointing pitchforks at Ford either. JMHO.

 

[Hack]

Has Ford identified a specific part or parts in the Voodoo that have a known manufacturing defect that will cause an imminent engine failure? If they have, this is the first I've heard about it. Which part is it, specifically? And if they haven't, what would you have them do?

By contrast, when Ford discovered improperly-crimped oil lines back in 2017, they did exactly as you suggest: Issued a recall and a stop-sale, and notified owners not to drive their cars until the new oil lines could be installed. Specific issue identified, owners notified, engines spared.

On the other hand, Porsche knew for years that the IMS bearings--a specific part on their M96 and M97 engines--were failing right and left, turning those engines into expensive doorstops. While they redesigned the bearings no fewer than three times, they left owners to fend for themselves, never even offering so much as an extended warranty. They didn't own up to the issue until a class action was filed years later. And they have never owned up to the GT4 strut tower issue noted in the photo above, essentially telling owners "sorry, you shouldn't hit the curbing on track." Great... So you bought a track-ready car that you can't drive on the racing line. Nice.

I wouldn't be patting Porsche on the back too much here, or pointing pitchforks at Ford either. JMHO.

Great points and you are right at least to a degree. That's why I only implied things rather than actually stating them. And interesting that you knew right away what I was implying. I guess it's pretty obvious. So in this post I should be more direct.

Oil lines are much cheaper to replace than an internal engine component. May or may not have anything to do with why they were replaced and other things have not been replaced, right? My local dealer managed to mess up the replacement and I had to take the car back to them a second time for them to get the oil lines to seal up. So Ford may have more reasons than just the expense that they decided not to replace internal engine parts.

There's no way to prove something when zero information has been shared by the manufacturer. We know there were oil consumption issues in many engines (I know a guy local to me that had two different engines fail with excessive oil consumption), but we don't know the cause. Did he abuse his cars? I had great luck with mine. Poor design, manufacturing defect, damage during assembly, fragile engines that must be treated carefully?... all we can do is speculate about why the oil consumption was a problem for some people or engines. We know that there have been issues with valves coming apart on the newer engines, but there's no way to know if it was a manufacturer's defect or not. It could also be a design flaw ticking bomb built into every engine like the IMS bearing.

It sure would be nice to have more information about those things.

 

[ANGST]

Even Toyota Camrys has a head bolt problem in 2AZ-FE motors were they would strip out .

 

[PA_R_DUDE]

These are always facts and talking points I keep back pocket when certain folks love to point out all of the GT350 issues but praise the Porsche GT brand for being bulletproof. They are almost always unaware of the widespread issues with the 911.1 GT3.

 

[oldbmwfan]

^^^ I think you meant 991.1 GT3, which was the 4.0L that had a minor problem with catching fire. On the plus side, they not only replaced all the engines, but they added a 10-year/120K-mile engine warranty on every one of those cars.

991.1 GT3s are a relative bargain buy right now; well-spec'd examples are trading around $110K, whereas the 991.1 GT3 RS is going for ~$150K. A bit "cheaper" partially because they're all PDK. The 991.2 cars run more like $150K (non RS)-190K with a manual.

 

[Txclyde1]

So let me see if I understand.......Porsches are having engines,or major parts replaced.......sooo ,by many people’s comments regarding GT350’s, they are loosing a high percentage of their value??

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