Petrol station visit

[NoVaGT]

Really? The API says it can, but you don't accept that as reasonably dispositive? I'm afraid I'll need to end this by writing you off as a dolt. But, if you care to present any qualifications that you have that would override the API, I'd be more than willing to reconsider my position.

I'm not interested in your position, or your considerations. You do your thing, others will do there's.

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[NoVaGT]

How do you explain the slippery roads when it first rains? I have in fact experienced them on multiple occasions throughout my driving life. Coincidence? Super curious about this now too lol.

I haven't seen that in decades. Back years ago, when cars leaked every fluid that was in them as standard, roads were slick when the rain first hit. That's a rare occurrence these days, cars don't leak all over the road anymore unless they're seriously abused/neglected.

 

[Sivi70980]

Good assessment. I've had a theory that concrete roads were always more susceptible to being slick because textures but then most are also older and have had years of fluids dribbling on them too. I can remember one instance as a brand new driver where a neighborhood nearby was resealed with basically just tar. My friends and I LOVED racing through there when it rained because out 90hp cars would be able to drift and do burnouts when we normally and luckily could not because dumb ass kids. I will say it might be where you live too that may contribute because the more beaters in the area, the more fluids on the ground too.

And main topic: Fueling vehicles...engines on or off....follow the rules or continue to play the car burning lottery....

 

[NoVaGT]

Fueling vehicles...engines on or off....follow the rules or continue to play the car burning lottery....

There's no law about in in this state AFAIK.

 

[Sivi70980]

There's no law about in in this state AFAIK.

Win win then. It's law here in WA and I'm sure the one time I would try it I would end up looking like that cartoon character that blinks once before all the ash falls to the ground.

 

[IronG]

So, what does this have to do with leaving you car running at a gas station?

I stated that a match tossed into an open container of gasoline won't burn, which is true. It was a side post, not germane to the topic at hand.

Please, someone tell me what they think will happen if you leave your car running while filling it at the pump? In my 50 years of being on this earth, I've never seen a fire at a gas pump. And the videos I've seen of fires at gas stations, are from someone doing something INCREDIBLY stupid, and have nothing to do with any running vehicle.

Hell, I'd imagine there's more danger with static electricity and random fuel vapors than with leaving your car running.

It amazes me how people will argue against common sense safety, especially when ones own actions can result in someone else's harm. It is so easy to eliminate the threat....just turn off you car. How simple is that? I agree with you that there are less safe things to do, but why on earth would you debate something that could happen and has happened. Sure not every scenario you could come up with around filling station safety has happened, but yeah the threat is there where the right conditions could result in someone being harmed by not turning off their car.....and here is a clue, it is not just from fire.

 

[GT Pony]

I haven't seen that in decades. Back years ago, when cars leaked every fluid that was in them as standard, roads were slick when the rain first hit. That's a rare occurrence these days, cars don't leak all over the road anymore unless they're seriously abused/neglected.

When you live where there are 2.5 million vehicles driving around every day, there's always still enough POS oil leakers to contaminate the roads. I see oil streaks on the roads all the time where I drive.

 

[GW65]

And there are plenty of old trucks dumping oil and hydraulic fluid on a regular basis (based on experience of it being dumped on our driveway whenever we've had skips delivered or builders on site)

 

[MikeHTally]

I have to buy my own gas, so I very seldom leave a vehicle idling. Mostly when I'm fiddling with it to figure out a noise. I NEVER warm up a vehicle for its sake. Only on very cold mornings do I let it idle so I'll have some heat for ME. Start it up, wait a few seconds and go. They warm up faster moving anyway.

 

[MikeHTally]

When you live where there are 2.5 million vehicles driving around every day, there's always still enough POS oil leakers to contaminate the roads. I see oil streaks on the roads all the time where I drive.

For sure. As you drive, look for dark patches in the road. Just in front of them there'll be a bump. That dark patch is from fluid dropping off the vehicles when they hit that bump.

 

[NoVaGT]

When you live where there are 2.5 million vehicles driving around every day, there's always still enough POS oil leakers to contaminate the roads. I see oil streaks on the roads all the time where I drive.

This area mandates annual inspections for all vehicles. If you're leaking, you're fixing it before you can register the vehicle for the road. Virgina, DC and MD all do annual inspections.

 

[NoVaGT]

It amazes me how people will argue against common sense safety, especially when ones own actions can result in someone else's harm. It is so easy to eliminate the threat....just turn off you car. How simple is that? I agree with you that there are less safe things to do, but why on earth would you debate something that could happen and has happened. Sure not every scenario you could come up with around filling station safety has happened, but yeah the threat is there where the right conditions could result in someone being harmed by not turning off their car.....and here is a clue, it is not just from fire.

What threat?

Not ONE person in this thread has been able to provide a reasonable explanation of what fire/spark threat is caused by a vehicle running while being fueled. It's been 4 pages of nothing but hearsay and conjecture.

You know what I did actually find, while looking up info on this topic?

The one reasonable possibility is spark from the starter setting ablaze pooled gasoline under a car, in the event some moron just dumps fuel on the ground. That can only happen if you're STARTING your car after fueling. And being logical, if some shit-box vehicle is running around with an ignition system that's arcing/sparking, or some poorly installed 1,000,000 watt sound system that was installed by their kid sister that sparks like Dr. Frankenstein, and has a gas tank that's leaking fuel like the Exxon Valdez, it doesn't matter if the car is off during fueling. As soon as you start that car, you're gonna have a bad day.

A properly maintained vehicle that's idling while fueling, isn't a fire/spark hazard. The only spark is happening deeeeep within the engine. The exhaust system/cat of the car isn't hot enough or close enough to ignite the few gasoline vapors that are emitted up at the filler neck. Human beings and their static electricity cause more gas station fires than anything else, if interweb reports are to be believed. Hell, I'd guess cell phone usage while fueling is actually the main culprit of the extremely few station fires that happen. And none of that is down to a vehicle idling.

Again; this is a old wive's tale, where someone heard it from someone else, and they told two people, and they told two people, and so on, and so on. Or "my daddy always said/did".......It's emotion over logic. It's like people believing they get sick from a cold draft when their head is wet, or you should dab whiskey on a baby’s gums to help with teething pain. It's old, out-dated ideas from old, outdated times when cars leaked every fluid that was in them, and automotive fuel systems and gas pumps were fires waiting to happen.

 

[MikeHTally]

This area mandates annual inspections for all vehicles. If you're leaking, you're fixing it before you can register the vehicle for the road. Virgina, DC and MD all do annual inspections.

Florida did that nonsense until '78 or so. When Bob Graham took office, he shut that down pronto. I don't recall anyone being under the vehicle (but it was 40+ years ago). They seemed to be gathering revenue while casually looking for bad lights, wiper blades, tires and brakes. There was certainly no emissions inspection.

 

[1004ron]

What threat?

Not ONE person in this thread has been able to provide a reasonable explanation of what fire/spark threat is caused by a vehicle running while being fueled. It's been 4 pages of nothing but hearsay and conjecture.

You know what I did actually find, while looking up info on this topic?

The one reasonable possibility is spark from the starter setting ablaze pooled gasoline under a car, in the event some moron just dumps fuel on the ground. That can only happen if you're STARTING your car after fueling. And being logical, if some shit-box vehicle is running around with an ignition system that's arcing/sparking, or some poorly installed 1,000,000 watt sound system that was installed by their kid sister that sparks like Dr. Frankenstein, and has a gas tank that's leaking fuel like the Exxon Valdez, it doesn't matter if the car is off during fueling. As soon as you start that car, you're gonna have a bad day.

A properly maintained vehicle that's idling while fueling, isn't a fire/spark hazard. The only spark is happening deeeeep within the engine. The exhaust system/cat of the car isn't hot enough or close enough to ignite the few gasoline vapors that are emitted up at the filler neck. Human beings and their static electricity cause more gas station fires than anything else, if interweb reports are to be believed. Hell, I'd guess cell phone usage while fueling is actually the main culprit of the extremely few station fires that happen. And none of that is down to a vehicle idling.

Again; this is a old wive's tale, where someone heard it from someone else, and they told two people, and they told two people, and so on, and so on. Or "my daddy always said/did".......It's emotion over logic. It's like people believing they get sick from a cold draft when their head is wet, or you should dab whiskey on a baby’s gums to help with teething pain. It's old, out-dated ideas from old, outdated times when cars leaked every fluid that was in them, and automotive fuel systems and gas pumps were fires waiting to happen.

I fill up at Costco and always obey the signs posted to shut the engine off while refuelling, and there's an attendant always present that will ensure all comply, but I haven't seen any conclusive study that explains how this makes it safer.

 

[fiveoboy01]

What threat?

Not ONE person in this thread has been able to provide a reasonable explanation of what fire/spark threat is caused by a vehicle running while being fueled. It's been 4 pages of nothing but hearsay and conjecture.

A video was posted where the sentiment was "it's possible" - but you brushed it off because you know more than the API.

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