Performance Package for Daily Driver...comments? experiences?

[Kevin08]

Some describe the PP as floaty, too. The fix for that seems to be different springs. Is it possible the floatiness of a non-PP suspension would also be mostly eliminated with the same upgrade?

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[5.Stock]

In Houston we have like 2 seasons winter and summer......and i daily mine had the car about 10 with over 16k miles and i love it. i even have steeda progressive lowering springs on it made the car a bit stiffer but well worth it. i have scrapped couple times but nothing major. i also have recaros in them and im a big guy

 

[no_moochers]

I DD mine, and wouldn't give it up for the world. All the perks are so worth the price. 3.73s are short, but if you live in a relatively flat area you can just start in 2nd. My one recommendation (only if you care a lot about your car looking clean) is get new wheels with less spokes. Those Brembos put off a metric fuck-ton of brake dust and my wheels go from glossy to matte in less than a whole tank and take FOREVER to clean. Plus if you get new wheels you can go square and rotate tires, win-win!

 

[Malkionx]

Is there any truth behind the EB PP brakes being unmarked brembos?

 

[no_moochers]

Is there any truth behind the EB PP brakes being unmarked brembos?

EB PP Brakes are the same as non-PP GT brakes, so I dont think so

 

[SnoopisTDI]

As others have said, 3.73 makes first gear a little short, but after a couple days it feels normal. Recaros are fine - I just drove 1000 miles in a day (twice) and while it wasn't quite as nice as my GTI was, it wasn't uncomfortable. The only thing I noticed was I kept slouching into the seat and had to remind myself several times to sit up straight. The only thing to worry about, IMO, is the shitty tires and the lack of a spare tire. If you can deal with that, you'll love it.

I'm curious, to all of you guys who have the "wouldn't have a Mustang without PP" attitude, have you all driven the regular GTs/EBs for comparison?

Seems like "Gotta have a V8" is now "Gotta have PP"

I drove a non-PP Eco and then my GTPP. I thought the non-PP Eco felt kind of bouncy, like the springs were too stiff for the light car. Then I got in the GTPP and it felt a bit heavy, but the ride was better IMO, like that weight kept things settled.

 

[73MachI]

Perspective, the 3.73 drives exactly like my 1999 Honda Civic Si daily driver in terms of shift points and the amount of rowing.

Aside from that, I don't DD my PP so I cannot comment except to say that if you like driving sticks and you're not in stop-and-go all day, you will probably love the PP.

Downside for my climate is the staggered wheels (no spare, or at least a complex spare scenario).

 

[Jeff73Mach1]

I daily drive mine. I get about 17 mpg in the city, 35 on the road. I changed the tires to BFG G force II A/S and am very happy with them. In heavy traffic, it is no more of a pain than any other stick shift. This is a great car.

 

[cbrookre]

EB PP Brakes are the same as non-PP GT brakes, so I dont think so

I think this rumor came from the fact that the non-PP GT brakes have the same specs and seem to have the same shape as the 2014 and earlier PP Brembros. So not Brembros but seem equivalent.

To provide a different perspective, I have a non-PP 2015 GT convertible and I see very little need to have the PP. The non-PP GT is wicked fast as it is for the street, stops on a dime, and handles very well even with the all weather tires (mine are the 255 wide 19", the smaller 235 may have more traction issues). Without doing some instrumented tests, I am not sure you would notice the difference. Certainly my daily skill is not enough to notice any difference anyway, the car is far more capable than I am able to make real use of off the track. And I do not street race, so for on-ramps and the like I have plenty of car to have some fun without worrying about losing any races by not having some marginal advantage.

Just my perspective and you choose how you spend your dollars.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

I'm curious, to all of you guys who have the "wouldn't have a Mustang without PP" attitude, have you all driven the regular GTs/EBs for comparison?

My GT to GT/PP comparison, PP as the reference:

It felt more precise, the turn in was more immediate, the transitions were more predictable, the overall feel was way more stable, planted, and to use the common parlance here, it was very noticeably less "floaty". Getting on the power out of turn was much more controlled (I suspect the Torsen rear diff making a significant contribution).

The 3:73s are a hoot. It's not my DD, and when I'm driving, I love to shift, plus the 3:73s wind the motor up so quickly into the top end power band (where things really start happening).

I would've likely added a STB, probably the K-brace at some point: I'm convinced that sort of additional bracing has a notable impact, even more so on a convertible.

The overall better handling feel is probably a whole combination of things, vs. just swapping out springs on the non-PP model, there's springs, shocks, swaybar, bracing, Torsen rear and even PP specific electronics.

From just a pure aesthetic standpoint I much prefer the PP wheels, wheel/tire staggered setup and dash finish (with the gauges being a fun little finishing touch).

The brakes are stunning from a pure aesthetic standpoint, sure they're better, but I'll be the first to admit you'd need to be engaged in some 9/10ths driving, on a +track+ before you tested their limits.

You get these upgrades, on day one, no wrenching, no downtime, they're covered under warranty, and it's all dialed in to work together as a final product that adds notable objective performance enhancements, as well as nice [subjective] visual impact.

My $0.02

 

[blk_5.0]

I'm curious, to all of you guys who have the "wouldn't have a Mustang without PP" attitude, have you all driven the regular GTs/EBs for comparison?

Seems like "Gotta have a V8" is now "Gotta have PP"

Yep. Test drove a couple premiums and two PPs, didn't even contemplate the EB. I thought I'd probably get a premium non PP with 3.55s (that's what my 14 was) until I drove the PP cars. From there it was will I fit in the Recaros or not. The PP felt more precise, brakes were way better both aesthetically and performance wise, 3.73s make it feel like a rocket in 1st/2nd, and it came with staggered wheels that I liked the look of much more not to mention the other little cool stuff. I actually went and drove the two cars back to back a second time to verify that it wasn't an impulse decision. At the end it was a "Gotta have a PP" for me since I could take the PP car off the lot, add an exhaust and be happy with it for a while. I understand not everyone is that way and if I was drag racing or going forced induction right away I'm sure I would've thought differently. As far as bang for your buck as a DD, PP is hard to beat IMO

 

[VertMustang98GT]

Yep. Test drove a couple premiums and two PPs, didn't even contemplate the EB. I thought I'd probably get a premium non PP with 3.55s (that's what my 14 was) until I drove the PP cars. From there it was will I fit in the Recaros or not. The PP felt more precise, brakes were way better both aesthetically and performance wise, 3.73s make it feel like a rocket in 1st/2nd, and it came with staggered wheels that I liked the look of much more not to mention the other little cool stuff. I actually went and drove the two cars back to back a second time to verify that it wasn't an impulse decision. At the end it was a "Gotta have a PP" for me since I could take the PP car off the lot, add an exhaust and be happy with it for a while. I understand not everyone is that way and if I was drag racing or going forced induction right away I'm sure I would've thought differently. As far as bang for your buck as a DD, PP is hard to beat IMO

I did the same and decided on basically the same vehicle you have.

MT82 has been refined in the 2015+ and once you add a MGW Shifter, it's like a brand new car again, but better.

 

[DaUnit]

Constantly in bumper to bumper traffic where i'm at no issues! However i do notice my summer tires losing little bit of it's grip when its below 20degrees out which is normal (I also drive with traction control off, lol..)

 

[dogiebitt]

Some describe the PP as floaty, too. The fix for that seems to be different springs. Is it possible the floatiness of a non-PP suspension would also be mostly eliminated with the same upgrade?

If someone thinks PP is floaty, their last car was a slammed civic with cut springs and no bump stops.
Those reflector things on the lines on the roads feel like potholes to me, to give an illustration of the ride stiffness. In my girlfriends 2014 Fusion I don't even feel them (just hear) when I run over them.

I'm curious, to all of you guys who have the "wouldn't have a Mustang without PP" attitude, have you all driven the regular GTs/EBs for comparison?

Seems like "Gotta have a V8" is now "Gotta have PP"

Test drove a base and premium GT, a base and premium EB, and had the sales guy drive me around in both the GT and EB with the PP. The non-PP cars definitely had a ton of body roll to them. Felt like I was on marshmallows going into turns.

 

[Zerobar78]

I agree with most in having driven both, the PP is, in my opinion, a better setup even for daily driving.

One gripe I'm having is the gearing on the track, I'm getting to the rev limiter in 2nd too often and facing the 2-3 debate, I think a 3.55 would better serve an autocross car.

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