PD Blowers. Wut?!

[esacteksab]

First and foremost this is not intended to stir shit between vendors or fanboi's.

What I want is a technical discussion on TVS (VMP/Rousch) vs. Whipple vs. Kenne Bell. Regardless of Calibrations/Tuners. Just the blowers themselves.

To be honest, I don't understand the differences, why the different blowers exist. Like what's the difference between Rousch and VMP? How/Why is a Whipple better (or not) than VMP or KB? What are the characteristics of each blower? Is one more likely to build boost sooner? Quicker? Is one more likely to generate more heat? Does one blower run out of steam sooner than the others? While they all might have a "rated HP" what's real world rating one should realistically expect?

I want their strengths, their weaknesses and where one might shine over the other(s) and where one might make less sense than the others for specific uses cases.

Opinions aside, anyone want to share facts?

P.S. I know this is the internet and I know I'm asking a lot. Try and keep it civil please!

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[socalsnake]

I remember there was a great (and heated) debate in a thread (or a couple threads) in this section between Whipple and Kenne Bell. Alot of very informative amd very technical discussions about design differences and design philosophy.

Besides illustrating alot of technical differences and in depth research from both manufacturers, the thread(s) also showed the burning passion the two manufacturers had for their blowers and for the industry in general - it was truly a great read.

If you search through here, I'm sure you'll run across it. Try "Whipple vs. Kenne Bell" in the search area.

As far as VMP/TVS, I haven't run across anything as technical in this sub-forum.

FWIW, my local So. Cal tuner Racer's Edge Tuning, a very well-known and well-respected shop, prefers Whipple when it comes to the Coyote.

 

[socalsnake]

Also, if you search for travis@boostworks, there are some good discussions in his threads about Kenne Bell. Boostworks is a shop in Katy, Texas who deal primarily with Kenne Bell and have much experience with that platform.

I'm sure if you have specific questions calling Dustin at Whipple or Travis at Boost Works or Kenne Bell directly, they would be happy to answer any of your questions. If you're in So. Cal. and near the greater L.A. area (Rancho Cucomonga), Kenne Bell's headquarters is a not so far drive. If I were considering P.D. blowers, KB in particular, I'd definately head down there and take a tour.

 

[z06psi]

I started the last thread that was supposed to be technical but didn't end up that way.

 

[04SloSnake]

I remember there was a great (and heated) debate in a thread (or a couple threads) in this section between Whipple and Kenne Bell. Alot of very informative amd very technical discussions about design differences and design philosophy.

Besides illustrating alot of technical differences and in depth research from both manufacturers, the thread(s) also showed the burning passion the two manufacturers had for their blowers and for the industry in general - it was truly a great read.

If you search through here, I'm sure you'll run across it. Try "Whipple vs. Kenne Bell" in the search area.

As far as VMP/TVS, I haven't run across anything as technical in this sub-forum.

FWIW, my local So. Cal tuner Racer's Edge Tuning, a very well-known and well-respected shop, prefers Whipple when it comes to the Coyote.

I just assumed Greg liked turbos on everything.

 

[jayman33]

Wants/ needs/ goals/ looks all drive for different brands, different styles, different.... everything.

Honestly, I dont think you can go wrong with Whipple, Roush, VMP or Kenne Bell. We're a dealer for all but KB but I dont have anything negative to say about KB.

Its a competitive market and to stay competitive a company must design and build a quality end product. With that being said, (and again) you really can't go wrong with any of the kits. Its a preference... per se.

I could go on and on, we've now installed multiple Whipple/ Roush and VMP kits on the 15's. Each kit is very well put together and each kit has put a huge smile on each and every customer's face.

So I guess my question would be, what are your goals? What do you plan to do with your mustang? This helps us determine what kit is best.

 

[socalsnake]

I just assumed Greg liked turbos on everything.

Actually you're right...I think he's contemplating a one off twin turbo set-up on a to be purchased S550 5.0...but I was asking him specifically about a ProCharger vs Whipple set-up. His no hesitation answer was...Whipple.

But yeah...his way is the turbo way!

 

[Travis@boostworks]

Good lord.. I'm not touching this one. Lol

I'll just leave a pic of a 3.2L that we're installing this week.

 

[Whipple SC]

LOL, ya I'm not going back there

I'll just leave this little video of a nice burnout!

https://youtu.be/dXu8uee44Ro

 

[socalsnake]

LOL, ya I'm not going back there

I'll just leave this little video of a nice burnout!

https://youtu.be/dXu8uee44Ro

...yeah but you guys did have a nice technical back and forth. I enjoyed the read and the learned alot!

 

[proamas]

...yeah but you guys did have a nice technical back and forth. I enjoyed the read and the learned alot!

I agree. It was good discussion although I went with KB I do have to say the Whipple kit is really nice too. Based on what my needs were I rated them like this.

1. Kenne Bell /BoostWorks
2. Whipple
3. VMP
4. Rousch


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[Grim_Reaper]

Idk why people are putting the KB/BW kit above the Whipple when there hasn't been nearly enough evidence yet that the KB/BW should rank higher than whipple. I guess it's just personal preference.

Personally I think the KB looks like a pure racecar mod and only meant to do one thing, go fast all the time. Whipple has a more factory fit/finish and performs perfectly.

 

[proamas]

Idk why people are putting the KB/BW kit above the Whipple when there hasn't been nearly enough evidence yet that the KB/BW should rank higher than whipple. I guess it's just personal preference.

Personally I think the KB looks like a pure racecar mod and only meant to do one thing, go fast all the time. Whipple has a more factory fit/finish and performs perfectly.

Well with all due respect Grim, I put it higher because I bought and installed my 3.2 liquid cooled kit. I like the throttle body better, not having a jack shaft, liquid cooling, placement of the IAT2 sensor, routing of the intake pipe and filter, and I really like the 4 lobe 6 lobe design better than whipples 3 lobe 5 lobe rotor design.


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[Whipple SC]

Well with all due respect Grim, I put it higher because I bought and installed my 3.2 liquid cooled kit. I like the throttle body better, not having a jack shaft, liquid cooling, placement of the IAT2 sensor, routing of the intake pipe and filter, and I really like the 4 lobe 6 lobe design better than whipples 3 lobe 5 lobe rotor design.


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I'm curious, what about the IAT2 did you not like? You know we have the IAT2 in the manifold, in the runner, measuring cold air and we use the MAF temp sensor as IAT1. Therefore we have temp differential which you can't do with aftermarket tuning tools.

 

[proamas]

No I understand that your setup is somewhat similar to KB in that regard but I liked the actual placement on the rear drivers side on KB a little better. One thing I did like more on your kit was the bypass air is still cooled. KB is not cooled so if your not throttle opened IATs rise quick in traffic.


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