Ordering Basics

[jimmypop13]

I'm kind of surprised that it sounds like most of the initial run is already spoken for. With them all being manual transmission I figured most people wouldn't touch them. I don't have any friends or family anymore that drive stick other than me

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[Stangnut]

If Ford is allocating the car, it may not be 100% limited, but you cant have one built unless you have an allocation. The GT350 wasn't a limited release car either, but it had an allocation process. Do you have any documentation to support your position? The dealers and reps all say otherwise.

Yes, the Bullitt is a glorified GT and the manufacturing process is nothing special, however it is an allocated car. You don't have an allocation, your car doesn't get built. Just like the GT350 and R.

One thing to remember though is ALL cars (and even trucks) are allocated vehicles. Ford predicts a certain number of each car and each version of that car will be needed. They base this on previous demand, current demand, how many they need to sell of each version to make their expected profit, and how many they can build. And they change their predictions & expectations every month.

The way it works is a dealer actually requests the allocation he wants and then Ford decides how many to give them based on what I just listed. If a dealer only wants 1 Mustang GT to be allocated to him, even though he could have as many as 10, that's all he gets. Ford then allows another dealer to order extra if they need it.

The factories can only only build so many cars so all cars are allocated.

 

[Nanashii]

Local dealers are out of their minds with the ADMs they are slapping on the Bullitt. Before the allocations were released, I was tempted to get one if my 18 order falls through. Wound't touch it for anything more than invoice. MSRP and above, go get a GT350.

 

[Bullitt]

Someone in Australia said their dealer told them Australia is getting 750 Bullitts alone. Just another "report" but if true, U.S. dealers will get way more than 1 or 2 each.

 

[Tomster]

I just stumbled on this having my morning coffee.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/res...ced-at-dollar47495/ar-AAvg5oY?ocid=spartanntp

"Ford isn't revealing how many copies it will sell, but says to act fast because it's a limited-edition model."

Nobody knows (publicly) the exact numbers that the US will get. I was told 700-800 for the U.S. My sources has never bullshitted me and everything he has told me has been true in the past. To prove his point after the response I received to the allocation lead thread, he reached out to the rep and had that information confirmed.

I am not enjoying this. I wish I was wrong. If it was up to me, everyone who wanted one would get one at MSRP. Why would anyone even want one of these if you could get a GT350 at MSRP or below?

I wish everyone well in their hunt for one of these Bullitts if it makes them happy. This topic at this point is just going over and over the varying opposite positions and is becoming counter productive.

As someone pointed out. There are a few dealerships who by principle charge no more than MSRP for these kind of cars. I strongly encourage everyone not to give up and to stop talking about it and pick up the phone and start calling.

A technique that I have used is pull up the ford inventory page and start searching dealerships in a 100 mile radius from your zip code. Use a zip code map and work your way out in 100 mile increments. Even though the website probably wont be showing bullitts yet, it is a good resource to get phone numbers and locations as you work your way out across the country to find a dealer who will sell at MSRP.

Many in the 350 community used this process and it works. I strongly suggest that on initial contact you ask to speak to a manager for a specialty car. Most sales people have no clue and you will be wasting your time and probably get bad information.

Again, I wish everyone the best in their pursuit.

 

[Stoughton]

I just stumbled on this having my morning coffee.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/res...ced-at-dollar47495/ar-AAvg5oY?ocid=spartanntp

"Ford isn't revealing how many copies it will sell, but says to act fast because it's a limited-edition model."

Any car or package that's not ongoing year after year is 'limited'. A 2 year run of whatever they can crank out is "limited"

 

[Bullitt]

Let's just recognize that there's still lots of conflicting info being reported by various credible sources. I have talked with a couple people within Flat Rock that both say they'll make more of these than GT350s. They know the internal stuff way better than some regional rep does. The actual Mustang marketing and development team told me in Detroit minutes after the Bullitt reveal that they don't plan to limit it and plan to build whatever is ordered. This has since been echoed by other credible sources.

It's possible they're starting dealers with small allocations to test the waters and then granting more allocations rapidly once they see the demand is there. I think they just want to protect themselves so they don't get burned like in 08. They probably don't want any sitting on lots so they'll be built to order instead of just blindly churning out 7,700 like last time. Many on the Bullitt Facebook page have placed MSRP orders no problem with their dealers. Lots of dealers are happy to predict low allocations to justify early ADMs. The honest dealers I've talked to still say they have no clue how many they're gonna "get".

 

[Tony Alonso]

I go back to the history of the 2001 model, then the 2008/09 model, as the basis for my opinion on volume numbers for this new car.

I am especially aware of the business case of the 2001 model, having recently completed the co-authoring of a book with the Ford engineer who worked on it (shameless plug). The initial projections for the 2001 model came in at 6500 units, and that is for a car that had feature content that was similar, in some ways, to the '19. You have to compare the parts and engineering effort in the context of the state of Mustang at the time, but there are clear similarities - step up in power, noticeable improvement in handling over the base GT, exhaust sound, and subtle appearance items. A run of several hundred cars would have made the 2001 program infeasible or the price would have been much more than the list price the Bullitt optioning cost.

For the 2008/09 run, that car was projected for a similar volume, however it was essentially for a 12-month run, even though it spanned 2 model years, based on the timing of when it was produced and sold.

The '19 is going to go over 2 model years, and closer to a 24-month run. The marketing campaign for this car is more visible than either of the previous models. Some volume is for markets outside North America, and there are RHD versions too. I believe that the total number of units will top the 5600 of 2001 and the 6600 of 2008/09. I think you will see over 10,000 units total in 2 model years, and probably closer to 12,000 on the optimistic end.

The allocation situation right now is not very public, which provides a bargaining advantage for the dealerships, but I think Ford could use the sales. I continue to talk with my salesperson, and I have an order in, but I don't plan to be fighting the markup battle to get one. I fought that battle on the GT350 when I was seriously contemplating one, and people weren't sure if it was going to be a 1- or 2-year run back at that time. We're now into the 4th model year.

 

[Tony Alonso]

I just stumbled on this having my morning coffee.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/res...ced-at-dollar47495/ar-AAvg5oY?ocid=spartanntp

"Ford isn't revealing how many copies it will sell, but says to act fast because it's a limited-edition model."

That was also said for the last two Bullitt Mustang models :-)

 

[Cobra Jet]

I’ve said in other posts that even though an exact # has not been released by Ford for the 2019 Bullitt, my initial guess is the magic # will be “1,968”. Why? Because of the fact that the original Bullitt was a “1968”. Unless they tie it to some # relating to the late great Steve McQueen, such as his birth year or something fanatical.

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Discussing the ADM, or paying an exhorbitant amount, or being the “1st” to have a brand new 2019 Bullitt on your block is probably cool - and like any other Halo car by any Manufacturer, people WILL pay top dollar just to lay such a claim....

Common sense would be:
Let those people and their emotions pay the exorbitant, excessive amount for the Bullitt and let them take that huge depreciation hit... You give it 6mks to 1yr and pick up the same car that WILL be available via private sale for far less than it’s original MSRP OR the inflated ADM.... who wins then?

Subjective discussion:
The 2000 Cobra R was a prime example of people doing literally stupid shit... Some people paid in excess of $75k+ for THAT Mustang.... people were going apeshit for it, because it WAS the highest HP produced Mustang OF ITS TIME. Fast forward to the 2003/04 Cobra - which was supercharged and EXCEEDED the factory HP of the 2000R AND could be had for (in some instances) $40k LESS than those “I gotta have it, I’ll pay anything” consumers...

Also note, a 2000R is hardly worth anything today - and that’s giving it 18 years now to “appreciate” .... people lost their so called “investment” on that car, because if you paid in excess of $75k, good luck trying to get even $40k for it today... maybe another 100yrs it MIGHT be worth something. LOL! Even so, it still makes more sense buying a 03/04 Cobra in great shape for roughly $20-$24k today over any 2000R.

It comes down to buying SMART - as others have said, folks COULD get a 2019 Bullitt for MSRP if they’re willing to shop it or be patient after the initial “gotta have it hype” simmers out....

 

[Tomster]

Standing by for more official information. Until then...
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[w3rkn]

Let's just recognize that there's still lots of conflicting info being reported by various credible sources. I have talked with a couple people within Flat Rock that both say they'll make more of these than GT350s. They know the internal stuff way better than some regional rep does. The actual Mustang marketing and development team told me in Detroit minutes after the Bullitt reveal that they don't plan to limit it and plan to build whatever is ordered. This has since been echoed by other credible sources.

It's possible they're starting dealers with small allocations to test the waters and then granting more allocations rapidly once they see the demand is there. I think they just want to protect themselves so they don't get burned like in 08. They probably don't want any sitting on lots so they'll be built to order instead of just blindly churning out 7,700 like last time. Many on the Bullitt Facebook page have placed MSRP orders no problem with their dealers. Lots of dealers are happy to predict low allocations to justify early ADMs. The honest dealers I've talked to still say they have no clue how many they're gonna "get".

Again, this post^ sums up what we know as a community thus far.


Dealers, unless they are enthusiasts themselves and are connected, only know what they are told officially. And if so, the name of the person who officially made the statements (even if internal) always leaks. With typically, having a few insiders, that can corroborate & backup said comments, etc..

No one Dealer/Owner knows more than the next.



As Mr Bullitt said, not all Dealers are the same. I prefer handshakes over ADMs. (Marketing is about word of mouth and a good dealership can take/steal business from another.)

Formula: Bullitt @ MSRP = everyone wins (Ford/Dealer/Buyer).

 

[Davestic]

Again, this post^ sums up what we know as a community thus far.


Dealers, unless they are enthusiasts themselves and are connected, only know what they are told officially. And if so, the name of the person who officially made the statements (even if internal) always leaks. With typically, having a few insiders, that can corroborate & backup said comments, etc..

No one Dealer/Owner knows more than the next.



As Mr Bullitt said, not all Dealers are the same. I prefer handshakes over ADMs. (Marketing is about word of mouth and a good dealership can take/steal business from another.)

Formula: Bullitt @ MSRP = everyone wins (Ford/Dealer/Buyer).

Edited: Dealer now says unsure of their allotment so can't commit. Offered me a Special Order GT at $2k under invoice.

I may be dreaming but my local dealer has an allotment and said he would honor x-plan pricing on it. Since there isn't an invoice yet we will see what happens, but tomorrow I am placing a $1000 deposit and an order. My last Mustang was when I was in college...1989 LX 5.0 6 Sp. loaded - I loved that car...more than the German tuned toys after. Its going to be a long wait for delivery

 

[btown93]

FWIW, my dealer who got 1 GT350 for 2016,2017, and 2018 is only getting 1 Bullitt.

 

[daven2505]

Ford UK hopeless

Someone in Australia said their dealer told them Australia is getting 750 Bullitts alone. Just another "report" but if true, U.S. dealers will get way more than 1 or 2 each.

Great that Australia is getting 750 but over in the UK with the second biggest RHD sales we know nothing about allocation.
I have spoken to three Ford Store dealers and they have all said they don't know how many they are getting, they have no idea on price and have no idea when the order book will open up. I have offered £1000 deposit and all have refused to take it and have said the best they can do is put me on a list and they will contact me which knowing UK dealers will not happen.
Considering the UK is Ford Europe's biggest market you would have thought they would have some info.
They haven't even updated their configurator from the 16 to the 18 yet as well...

I lived in Framingham/Mass until last year and the local dealer was superb but here in UK they couldn't get any worse.:rant:

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