Ok now I'm pissed.

[deep south]

Hang on - let's be clear - the cars are coming exactly when Ford always said that they would - in Q4.

What Ford is not doing is providing details around the specs of a model that has now been built and is probably in transit.

I am never going to complain about "missing" hood vents or anything else as I was never told that I might get them.... But is it too much to expect a few details on what I might be getting? Iknowthe euro and rhd cars are "based" n the US premium AND performance packs but no specifics.

I can now download the owner manual - for which I am very grateful and pleased. Any chance of an updated, detailed brochure - and then I might know if I need to worry about driving on summer tyres in winter (and worry about the legal ramifications) and most of our "questions" will be answered...

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[Big_G]

Hang on - let's be clear - the cars are coming exactly when Ford always said that they would - in Q4.

What Ford is not doing is providing details around the specs of a model that has now been built and is probably in transit.

I am never going to complain about "missing" hood vents or anything else as I was never told that I might get them.... But is it too much to expect a few details on what I might be getting? Iknowthe euro and rhd cars are "based" n the US premium AND performance packs but no specifics.

I can now download the owner manual - for which I am very grateful and pleased. Any chance of an updated, detailed brochure - and then I might know if I need to worry about driving on summer tyres in winter (and worry about the legal ramifications) and most of our "questions" will be answered...

Let's not confuse matters here, there's normal orders & UCL cars. Ford had never promised anything ever, they did original say that UCL cars would be the first and only deliveries this year. They always maintained that those cars would be delivered in October (never promising though)
Things then get very muddy from that point onwards as it started to transpire that early deposit payers would be recieving at the same time at UCL. That in turn seems to be pushing delivery further into the year. I've been in this since May 2014 with the priority team, October was the endgame.

 

[CJ01]

You do Realize, if he does ask for a specific UK spec list and receive it. At this stage of the game, Every car produced and or not will have to go to retooling and suffering even more delays?

I've waited over 8 months and I expect to wait at least another two. Plus can't imagine it's going to take much re-tooling if any if all we are asking is for the same parts to be fitted on the UK cars as were fitted on the US ones. Afterall, they sold 10,000 of those fellas last month and the parts rumoured to be deleted don't seem to be impacted by RHD.

As for the K brace it is available for 265 from Ford performance parts, perhaps you should be asking why it isnt a dealer installed option since it is (legal?) in your country. The same can be said of the headlights with the Gills and the hood vents.

Clearly you haven't met a UK based Mustang "specialist".

I asked mine about the tower strut brace - I think he thought it was something to do with dentistry. He also wouldn't realise that the tower strut brace is different from the K brace or that the latter is fitted on European cars.

Plus it was Ford that said they were taking the Mustang global with a "one Ford" concept. If you watch the promo videos for the worldwide launch of the Mustang, Raj Nair the Global Head of Product Development for Ford said this of us as customers : “What they wanted was pretty consistent. They wanted the next generation Mustang and everything Mustang stands for as the American icon it’s been for 50 years. It was more about doing the best Mustang we’ve ever done. It’s not about developing vehicles differently for Europe because we want those dynamics in the global vehicle.”

So it's not just me who, subject to local laws, is expecting the Mustang to be the same the world over - so is Ford's Head of Global Product Development.

do they not have base models in the U.K.?

No they don't. The only RHD car in the wild in the world was last seen in India I believe.

From what I have read in the majority of other posts, the biggest gripe isnt the deletion of certain features because an American car was setup for a European market, but the delays of it getting there.

I'm not sure it is. The biggest gripes I see are a) complete absence of any competent communication from the dealer network; and b) the deletions.

Gripes about delays were more focussed in Europe where they were getting delivery dates and then finding their cars were standing somewhere in a car park for months or lost somewhere on the way. I ordered in January this year and was told then it was going to be quarter 4. At the moment, I cannot complain about delay as the car isn't late. Other than UCL winners, I'm not sure anyone's car is officially late in the UK.

If the Gills, K brace, hood vents, gauges, and any other deleted option
are deemed needed by the general U.K. buyer, I would speak with the dealer or dealers and ask that they make those parts available to the purchasers to swap.

See comments above about UK dealers. You'd have more luck getting blood out of a stone.

If you ask the factory to customize the U.K. only cars to your specs or that of the brochure it will only delay what already seems to be a 6 month to a year process in Building and shipping cars to your country.

I'm not asking for that. Completely the opposite in fact. I'm asking Ford to produce and deliver exactly the same vehicle to our market - subject only to restrictions imposed by local laws.

Understand what is acceptable for the U.S. isn't for Europe and vice versa.

Kind of blows a hole in the "One Ford" idea and the "It’s not about developing vehicles differently for Europe". Who's going to let Raj know ? He'll be gutted.

 

[Timm]

I don't know Raj, at a guess, he doesn't know the American (U.S.) car market and what they produce and the particular car specs. I do know a lot of European made cars whether they are Italian, British, or German have to be refitted to pass the U.S. crash standards and emissions standards and a few other odds and ends.

Secondly having tinkered with, owned and played with sports cars since I was 14,
If there was a feature I didn't like on a car I replaced it. Wanted it better, I made it so.
Wanted ruby red when it didn't exist, I used Buick Firemist red, really close by the way.

I bought my first Mustang when I was 15, It was a 1969 puke green 6 cylinder manual with 315 gearing. I ended up putting a 289 CI v8 backed up by a 3 speed manual and 385 gears. It ran pretty nice for a car I rebuilt with my Dads help.

I got help from my cousins to prep and paint the car and ended up with a car I was proud of.

I seriously doubt that a 15 year old has more ingenuity to transform an old beaten car then yourselves, it just takes patience an idea and sometimes ingenuity.

I posted all this because even though all of us are buying the 2016 Mustang at least some of us will modify it to suit our needs or wants.
You want a k brace and dont wish to pay the freight, see if you can get a diagram and make one, hell make 5 and sell them to your buddies. Hood vents that work, simple it is just a hole and a bit of plastic. Dont like the white tail lights, buy a mold kit and make a set of red ones. It is actually very easy, inexpensive and fairly quick.

Just because it isnt an exact copy of the U.S. version doesn't mean S@#%t make it into the car you want it to be.

 

[Travel Lad]

Timm, with all due respect, you're missing the point and you don't really understand our market. Yes, it's about delivery, but there are numerous other threads bemoaning the fact that there are the specific deletions from THE WHOLE RIGHT HAND DRIVE MARKET, at least that's the perception.

It's not as easy just to pop into the dealers and order these specific parts here in the UK, for a Mustang. For instance, the rear lights, why white for Europe?? I've never seen a European car, ever with white rear lights.

The Mustang is an American icon, no? So when you market an American icon, I expect to get an iconic American car.

You'll need to research our Australian and New Zealand cousins many threads, as well as the many on the UK side. It's about INFORMATION, or precisely, the lack off that's the gripe! Most would be happy with a date that was an informed piece of information, not having to do our own research to fill in the gaps that Ford have left.

:amen:

 

[stevec]

Having only recently taken over the position of Chairman and Managing Director of Ford of Britain I have only just been alerted to this forum.

Please feel free to contact me directly on [email protected] individually, and I will ensure that we provide each of you with the very latest data on your order.

I am hugely appreciative of your patience


Andy Barratt

Andy has been my 'good source at Ford) for a few months now. He has been more than impressive in responding to emails that I have sent him and to date, has only given me info that has proven to be correct.

Well done for coming on here Andy.

 

[Travel Lad]

Secondly having tinkered with, owned and played with sports cars since I was 14,
If there was a feature I didn't like on a car I replaced it. Wanted it better, I made it so.
Wanted ruby red when it didn't exist, I used Buick Firemist red, really close by the way.

I posted all this because even though all of us are buying the 2016 Mustang at least some of us will modify it to suit our needs or wants.

Just because it isnt an exact copy of the U.S. version doesn't mean S@#%t make it into the car you want it to be.

Great experience you have there Timm and wish you were over in my neck of the woods but how do you get round all the insurance increases with modifications to standard vehicle? We get hung up on them here.

I think things have got a bit out of proportion here. Basically we would have just liked what you have in the USA but the steering wheel on the other side. OK might be a few layout tweaks required but things like hood vents (plenty of Astons, Jags and BMW's with them in Europe so why take them out?), DRL's amazed that something like that is not legal in EU but is OK in USA - are our eyes different? The sequential turn signals I get (and those that go on about Audis etc that have them they are running orange and would require all 3 tail lights in the Mustang to have orange and red bulbs in them).

We would just have liked the information at launch to be fairly accurate rather than show us the US one and say something like this but not quite.

Personally, I'm not bothered by anything other than lack of DRL's as I am getting an Ecoboost (hopefully) so if there is a way to get the DRL's working (at a reasonably Scottish price) then I'll be doing that.

Everything else is just suck it and see.

Oh and BTW, 2015 model for us so not wise to poke a stick into the UK forum we are all very defensive over here addle: :cheers:

 

[deep south]

Oh and BTW, 2015 model for us so not wise to poke a stick into the UK forum we are all very defensive over here addle: :cheers:

Nope - we are getting 2016 models - but there are very few differences between 2015 and 2016 even for the US; some minor new options, like the hood vents, and Sync 3 on some packages.

 

[Timm]

Thanks Travel, as to the modifications, unless it is an extreme modification, ie it was a rear wheel drive someone made a four wheel drive that is now 3 feet higher our insurance generally doesn't comment nor care.

Tire or a wheel swap so what. motor swap they dont cre, well they might if you put a v12 powered by nitro.... but even then if it isnt standard equipment they just wont cover damage to the motor.


By the DRL's do you mean the gills, or daytime running lights? the gills easy as heck, although it involves opening the headlights it isnt impossible and I have done this to some other cars for differing reasons.

Put the headlight on a cookie sheet in the oven at 160 degrees or so. get it warm for about an hour, when you get it out the clear and black joint should be pliable. (beware it is also hot as hell) gently pry the halves apart and do what it was you opened the device for. Find a good tar type butalyn sealant similar to what is used on windshields, seal it press together and I used a bungee cord to compress it together as it cured.

 

[Timm]

There truly isnt a lot of difference between 2015 and 2016, the hood vents (for the US anyhow) have turn signals that have met with mixed reviews. Personally I think they are a kind of Homage to the 1967 Mustang Hood. Those didnt have functioning signals, but did
have a vent to the left and right where they could have attached the turn signals. I have test driven one with them, and though it is a neat feature at first I can also see where it may be annoying at night.

 

[jord79]

You want a k brace and dont wish to pay the freight, see if you can get a diagram and make one, hell make 5 and sell them to your buddies. Hood vents that work, simple it is just a hole and a bit of plastic. Dont like the white tail lights, buy a mold kit and make a set of red ones. It is actually very easy, inexpensive and fairly quick.

We're not paying upwards of £35k ($53k) for a car to then go and stick bits of cheap plastic on it and cut holes in the bonnet. Easy as it might be (for some) it's not too much to expect at least having the option to have stuff like this factory fitted where it is done to a certain standard and doesn't breach warranty and costs the customer zero time and effort.

I bet most of us here would have been happier to have a base model with these stock elements for a better price and would be happy without big brakes, euro/jap looking wheels, leather interior which have doubt pushed the price up.

 

[Paulo1984]

Andy has been my 'good source at Ford) for a few months now. He has been more than impressive in responding to emails that I have sent him and to date, has only given me info that has proven to be correct.

Well done for coming on here Andy.

I regret ever challenging anything you said in the past. You certainly win the 'Top Trump' award for sources of Mustang information! :clap2:

 

[croyde]

I'm still really puzzled why we can't have the same options that they have in the US.

The stuff is all sitting there in the same factory and the cars are all built to individual orders.

Daft things like you can't have saddle interior if you want Competition Orange.

Also different costs and slightly different options in the EU compared to the UK plus where the fek did the white rear lights come from. Not seen on any Euro car apart from barried up Vauxhall Corsas owned by 18 year olds who have seen too many Max Power mags and Fast and Furious films.

As for the other options, the only cost impact will be on the customer that ordered it.

I'd understand if the EU/UK/AUS/NZ and SA Mustangs were built over our side of the Atlantic but they are all built in the same factory near Detroit ffs.

 

[C11EWM]

I bet most of us here would have been happier to have a base model with these stock elements for a better price and would be happy without big brakes, euro/jap looking wheels, leather interior which have doubt pushed the price up.

Nope!! I'm happy with what I've ordered. I'm glad we're getting big breaks and leather. Lot of car for the money, no matter what way you look at it.

 

[SteveS]

Nope!! I'm happy with what I've ordered. I'm glad we're getting big breaks and leather. Lot of car for the money, no matter what way you look at it.

^^This^^

Would have taken the £500 option of "Guaranteed delivery date Q4 2015" had it been offered though.

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