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[stevec]

Cant agree with you sorry, you failing to realise things such as water dispersion, the front tyres work in harmony with rear tyres when it comes to water dispersion. Running different tyres front to back could actually increase the chance of aqua planing, this is not safer.

Then tyre wall construction, for example Bridgestone/Yokohama have rather stiff sidewalls, whereas Michelin/Goodyear are softer, this can upset balance.


Could it be safer than running the stock poor Pzero's all round, who knows no one is going to prove it. Will it un-balance the car running different brands front to rear, of course it will.

I've done my modifications because tyres are easy to work with if you have some advanced driving experience and don't treat throttle like an on/off switch, try driving on semi-slicks down to 1-2mm in heavy rain, you learn to drive with the grip you have, what matters is balance is correct and the car behaves as one would expect and this is why matched tyres and good alignment are crucial. Even more important as our American friends would say is DRIVER MOD.

Of course wheels with better tyres is a modification that has a huge impact and is a great modification to any car and depending on the tyre you buy will impact the performance in difference conditions, for example if you still want to drive like you stole it in snow or very cold wet weather, fit winter tyres they work very well.

Of course if your happy to have potentially poor water dispersion, aquaplaning risk, un-balanced handling and want the car to handle more like a FWD understeer mess of a car, then fit some nice grippy tyres on the back and leave the fronts as they. I suppose it is safe to understeer of a corner and hit something head on due to cars have more safety designed for head on crash rather than going backwards into a wall/tree.

Just dont blame me when you go spinning in a straight line on the motorway because the rear lifted of the ground due to aquaplaning due to the front water dispersion pattern not matching the rear tyre pattern, thats what happens with a car running a staggered setup like ours by the way. ;)

We are gonna have to take this outside eventually! Its the only way to sort things out sometimes lol.

We are never going to agree and I think its hard to prove either right. The same argument is being had on most motoring forums. But even the tyre manufacturers do not say you must use the same make all round. There is certainly no mention of the front working with the rears on water dispersal.

You talk about balance, well the car is unbalanced. Breath on the throttle and she is away! Would taking some of the over-steer balance away hurt it? I certainly dont think it will make it dangerous.

Anyway, lets agree to disagree. I am still going to watch for your mods with interest. Maybe you should through some MPSS tyres on the back of your first and the TRY to give us a GENUINE review on how it handles. You may be surprised and end up sticking with it!

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[Gibbo205]

We are gonna have to take this outside eventually! Its the only way to sort things out sometimes lol.

We are never going to agree and I think its hard to prove either right. The same argument is being had on most motoring forums. But even the tyre manufacturers do not say you must use the same make all round. There is certainly no mention of the front working with the rears on water dispersal.

You talk about balance, well the car is unbalanced. Breath on the throttle and she is away! Would taking some of the over-steer balance away hurt it? I certainly dont think it will make it dangerous.

Anyway, lets agree to disagree. I am still going to watch for your mods with interest. Maybe you should through some MPSS tyres on the back of your first and the TRY to give us a GENUINE review on how it handles. You may be surprised and end up sticking with it!

Lets agree to disagree.

But no I would never just throw MPSS on the rear, the tyre wall material, strength and characteristics effect the spring rate, just as tyre pressures do. So if the MPSS is firmer, the spring rate actually increases and making the rear firmer will actually provoke oversteer tendencies. If the tyre wall is softer it will provoke understeer and I dislike understeer with a passion and the Mustang on a balanced throttle already has understeer we don't want any more. This is before we even consider the grip characteristic differences between the tyres.

The way I drive my car is regular moving around on the road, for me predictable, consistent and progressive handling is everything. The last thing I want is one axle having more grip than the other, that would be a total nightmare and complete mess and much harder to control at the limits and beyond them. Balance is everything and mixing tyres would effect balance a little in the dry but in the wet the balance would be very upset. Why would I want to destroy my cars balance after I've gone to so much effort to make it handle more like a sports car? I would not!

Here is a good read from the 350Z forums:
http://www.350z-uk.com/topic/36637-mixing-tyres-and-why-you-really-shouldnt/


In short, if you potter about, never push the car and are trying to run it on pennies, then miss match the tyres, it is your car afterall. ;)

However if you want your car to have balance, keep the tyres matched and never miss-match tyres on the driven axle, NEVER!

 

[Nostruss]

By the way, I agree the Pirelli are crap tyres, Conti sport or PSS for me once these have worn a bit.

Ditching the Pzero's. Can't wait any longer. PSS ordered - being fitted on Tuesday.

 

[Gibbo205]

Ditching the Pzero's. Can't wait any longer. PSS ordered - being fitted on Tuesday.

Awesome share your feedback on them whilst its still cold, just remember to take it easy for first 50 miles on them as they will be greasy.

 

[Jimboy2]

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[stevec]

Lets agree to disagree.

But no I would never just throw MPSS on the rear, the tyre wall material, strength and characteristics effect the spring rate, just as tyre pressures do. So if the MPSS is firmer, the spring rate actually increases and making the rear firmer will actually provoke oversteer tendencies. If the tyre wall is softer it will provoke understeer and I dislike understeer with a passion and the Mustang on a balanced throttle already has understeer we don't want any more. This is before we even consider the grip characteristic differences between the tyres.

The way I drive my car is regular moving around on the road, for me predictable, consistent and progressive handling is everything. The last thing I want is one axle having more grip than the other, that would be a total nightmare and complete mess and much harder to control at the limits and beyond them. Balance is everything and mixing tyres would effect balance a little in the dry but in the wet the balance would be very upset. Why would I want to destroy my cars balance after I've gone to so much effort to make it handle more like a sports car? I would not!

Here is a good read from the 350Z forums:
http://www.350z-uk.com/topic/36637-mixing-tyres-and-why-you-really-shouldnt/


In short, if you potter about, never push the car and are trying to run it on pennies, then miss match the tyres, it is your car afterall. ;)

However if you want your car to have balance, keep the tyres matched and never miss-match tyres on the driven axle, NEVER!

Fact is, I will fit all round anyway but yeh, I am more the potter around type anyway.....despite my moments that have been caused by the rears

 

[Mark The Cabby]

And here are the reason for all the tyre related posts,

The fronts will be joining them next month.

And yes they will be the same brand and type of tyre...

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