FOURCED
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For someone who dwells so heavily on turbo maps, I can't help but wonder if you actually know how to read one..........
Do you really see a 50 HP choke point on that turbo?
It does not exist.
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Do you really see a 50 HP choke point on that turbo?
It does not exist.
VIN666
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Nobody is going to boost an auto at 2k either, because it will downshift when you floor it.Anybody with a 3600 lbs (car driver and gas) Mustang with a 2.3 four banger under the hood especially with stock gears and / or auto. That actually wants to drive and enjoy a car.
LOL, I know, I got this for grunt, comes on nice and strong before 2000 RPM...
AFAIK the TDO wheel on the stage III was rated at 39 lbs / minute or 600 CFM, similar wheel here:
http://www.stealth316.com/images/td05hr-16g6-cfm.gif
That is about 340 WHP on a dynojet SAE
unless it is a 20g here
http://www.stealth316.com/images/td06-20g-raw.gif
which flows more air but makes less boost. Overall a nice map and some low surge lines but this wheel is not efficient at higher boost levels. above 2.3 bar. This is a 420 peak HP (380 wheel SAE dynojet) turbo or there abouts. Still the GT wheels with better top end boost are the ones that will find their way onto EBs.
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Not sure why you are on a war path with i4 turbos... Got your heart broken by one or something?
:lol:
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Stuntman
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You're posts read as overly dramatic with an over emphasis on a non-existent surging issue with the GT28 examples that you are posting. You're now crossing over to spreading misinformation.
Again, not true. The above examples of GT28's and 30's on 2.4L KAs, 2.3L MS3s, and twins on 3.5L VQs all do not have surging issues at super low RPMs (any RPM below its torque peak -which you are inferring as undriveable in).
Seriously? What world do you live in? Pretty much everyone short of those in >4L cars downshift when they are in low revs if they need to get up a hill or pass someone. Ask anyone who drives a MT in San Francisco.
We're not talking about GT40+ turbos here, but GT30s or smaller will not be a problem.
+1 He's not really contributing to the thread other than trying to scare people off FI 4 cylinders with his nonsense.
Lord Helmet
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I'm looking forward to this engine. Never bought a American muscle... just worked on a lot of them though I'm seriously considering getting the Mustang EB over the V8.... or 2006 GTO
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Darrinm03
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Hey guys, first time posting but I've been lurking for a while now. I've noticed a lot of people saying the sound of the ecoboost will determine what they purchase, and even more people are just flat out curious what it will sound like. So I went looking and found this.....I apologize in advance if this is old news, but it shows a decent acceleration, enough to hear the turbo spool.......
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I think the EB4 exhaust note will be a big deciding factor for a lot of people.
Darrinm03
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I personally loved turboed cars ever since my SRT-4 (~400hp as well). Matter of fact I had an 01' GT when I got smoked on the highway by an SRT-4 with the lady friend in the car with me, I then promptly headed to my local dealership and made a trade. And my GT was no slouch at the time. I ran a straight down pipe on the SRT-4 and it sounded nice and throaty at idle, I'm hoping same will be the case with the mustang, but the potential untapped power this thing could have might make the exhaust note an irrelevant factor
Late to the party here the EB is based on the current ST engine which was HEAVILY based on the Original Mazdaspeed 3/6 engine to the point where mountings and some internals are actually interchangeable.Looking at the motor the longblock minus the integrated exhaust manifold is almost identical.
I believe this engine should easily support 380whp+ with bolt ons possibly even on the stock turbo.The integrated twinscroll manifold is actually a blessing in disguise as it makes fabrication of twinscroll manifolds extremely easy opening up a world of turbo choices. I am looking at buying one with sole intentions of having a I4 I can destroy V8's with here in South Africa.Check out this link and see what an earlier version of this motor is capable http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f338/
A Mazdaspeed 6 is a 3600lb car I have 300ft/lb by 3300rpm with a Borg Warner s200sx 7670 which is ample on the street even with 4wd
I believe this engine should easily support 380whp+ with bolt ons possibly even on the stock turbo.The integrated twinscroll manifold is actually a blessing in disguise as it makes fabrication of twinscroll manifolds extremely easy opening up a world of turbo choices. I am looking at buying one with sole intentions of having a I4 I can destroy V8's with here in South Africa.Check out this link and see what an earlier version of this motor is capable http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f338/
A Mazdaspeed 6 is a 3600lb car I have 300ft/lb by 3300rpm with a Borg Warner s200sx 7670 which is ample on the street even with 4wd
wproctor411
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I'm sure we'll see these for the 2.3, very impressive for bolt on power. I like my 3.5EB F150
http://www.cobbtuning.com/Ford-Focus-Stage-3-Power-Package-with-V3-p/61fx31.htm
http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/2013_2014_FOCUS_ST_POWER_UPGRADE_PACKAGE_p/m-fr1-fst.htm
http://www.livernoismotorsports.com...G-DEVICE-2013-Ford-Focus-ST-2.0-ecoboost.html
http://www.steedafocus.com/parts/steeda-focus-st-stage-2-power-pack/
http://www.cobbtuning.com/Ford-Focus-Stage-3-Power-Package-with-V3-p/61fx31.htm
http://www.fordracingpartsdirect.com/2013_2014_FOCUS_ST_POWER_UPGRADE_PACKAGE_p/m-fr1-fst.htm
http://www.livernoismotorsports.com...G-DEVICE-2013-Ford-Focus-ST-2.0-ecoboost.html
http://www.steedafocus.com/parts/steeda-focus-st-stage-2-power-pack/
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I am afraid that this car is going to be more similar to the fiesta st in aftermarket modifications. Get a whopping 6 percent max gain from a tune on 93. I hope the 2.3 won't be tapped out but I think ford is going to leave very little on the table for us.. I hope they leave more like the f150 and sho's but my gut is saying no.
I just realized it is going to have a 9.8:1 compression ratio all the other economist engines have a 10.0:1 compression ratio or more. This really makes me think we are going to be able to run much larger boost numbers than other comparable Ecoboost vehicles! This can be interesting!
The 2.3 will definitely have potential. Let's be honest, people are complaining about 6% from a tune on the 1.6T. While that may not be a ton on a 197hp motor, 6% is 20hp on a 315hp motor. For ~$300-$400 20hp is cheap. That's exactly what a 2005-2009 GT got from a tune. With a tune/filter/FMIC/exhaust + downpipe we'll probably see over 365 crank hp on a 2.3L turbo. Those are damn good numbers. Anyone wanting to autocross is going to pick this motor over the V6 or V8. And if you find yourself with a 2.3T wanting more power, the aftermarket will be there with a big turbo kit. With a 9.8:1 compression ratio + D.I. people will make 415-450hp at the crank easily.
w3rkn
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I think you are over-estimating the situation. This engine is built tough, but the ecu is locked down, ford will release upgrades.
additionally, it's not a single turbo either... it is a twin-scroll turbo. Boost & response are two different things.
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