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But if I use the MC it will correct it self to the weight your suggesting. In the 40 range.
My two cents: if you're tracking the car hard you need to change the oil every 1-3 track days anyway.
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Not necessarily. Engines can typically operate happily at a range of high and low viscosity grades (and each grade has its own range). Engineers know that oil thins over the course of its service. When new it's on the thick side, when old it's on the thin side, but for most of an oil interval the viscosity is in the Goldilocks zone. A 40 weight could very well be the Voodoo's Goldilocks weight.

Truth is that until there are millions of miles on Voodoo engines, UOAs galore, and lots of Voodoos that have been torn down and inspected, it's all pure speculation.

Also, there is nothing wrong with Amsoil, but the Cult of Amsoil is very real.
there are oils that dont drop weight in 5k. If a gt350 is being used as intended 5w50 Mc is not something id use past 1500. if your trust everything ford tells you i have a bridge i could sell you. I dont feel amsoil is needed in everything. I use pennzoil ultra in my DD sti. In a DD that isnt abused heavy or raced on a track Ultra is great. If its a car that is an excessive hp build, sees track or want longer then 5k intervals i use amsoil. If i have a car that doesnt see a lot of miles a year but want to use the oil for an entire year i use amsoil there as well. It has its place but its not needed for everything. It just depends what your doing. However MC in any situation is sub par.

But if I use the MC it will correct it self to the weight your suggesting. In the 40 range. By the way I change my oil annually or 3000 miles no matter what. Just a thought. I wan to use the best oil. I hear of people say there oil press is higher when they have the amsoil. That doesn't sound good. I'm on the fence with all this.
If you aren't tracking it i wouldnt be using a 5w50 ever no matter what the oil is. A 5w40 or 5w30 would be great. Amsoil typically is thinner in most weights than its competitors. I highly doubt amsoil is raising pressure
 

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That's what I was thinking. I will most likely never use the 5w50 oil to its full potential(tracking), and would like a lower viscosity since it's just a street car with the occasional mountain drives(thought definitely not like how smgts drives lol). Sounds like the MC would shear itself down to where it matches how I use it, and also keeping my warranty intact at the same time.

At the very least, I'll be the guinea pig, as I do plan on keeping this car for 10+ years. I'll let you guys know how the engine is in the year 2026 :cheers:
Ford cannot void your warranty as long as it meets the standard. Only a jerk service manager would pull a stunt like that. I was a ford master tech unril 2013 when i switched to another manufacturer. 5w50 is a silly weight to use in any street driven car. I swear some of you really are lacking information. :confused:
 

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For example.
WSS-M2C945-A=API SN;ISLAC GF-5. If ford tries to deny anyone using amsoil most amsoil dealers want you to contact them with the dealer name and persons name that told you this. They take it serious and will follow up with them. Fords mc 5w50 isnt even 50 after 1000 miles. Its garbage in my opinion
Ford does not maintain a list of API Certified oils. I can only give you information that I have from being a Ford owner and ex ford master tech. If you contact Ford regarding oil Ford is going to recommend Motorcraft. To get a different answer you have to talk to a company representative. If an issue can not be resolved thru the service manager you need to contact the Ford service representative for your area. This would not be the first time a dealership service manager has contradicted a manufactures policy. Also from experience I must of have a lot of luck because I have taken in my vehicles to have warranty service completed and each dealership did not even ask if I kept service records.

Also if you want to pay you can check the link below, a website that will go into detail of the WSS-M2C945-A specification.

http://infostore.saiglobal.com/store/Details.aspx?ProductID=1430718

As far as mc 5w50 its a sheering monster. Worse then anything ive ever seen. Its garbage.

Id like to share this for those that think amsoils 10w30 is too thick for 32 degrees http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/in...at-is-the-best-oil-to-use/page-2#entry1135426
 

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So what's your oil of choice for the R for street driving and what for track m guy. All serious here.
 

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So what's your oil of choice for the R for street driving and what for track m guy. All serious here.
My brand choice is either pennzoil ultra or amsoil/motul. What is going to be done with the car and how hard it will be driven before i just throw out some weights.
 

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Your oil is your engines blood essentially. Why would you buy oil that knowingly sheers down to lower weight then you purchased? You bought it for the 5w50 properties. Why would you want it to not be that when you drain it? :confused: i mentioned where to learn about fords meh oils. Nothing from svt can be shown here anyway. In certain situations not having a 50w oil during certain activities causes accelerated wear. Thats all there is to take away from it. If you dont plan on keeping the car for 10+ years or dont care about the engine youll be passing on, run 5w50 mc. :shrug:

Its like cheaping out on your tires. Its the only contact between you and the road. It matters. When i worked at ford, i steered anyone i could away from MC oil.
You are making an assumption that there is a problem associated with the shearing down of Motorcraft oil. You are also making an assumption that the Ford engineers who specify that we use Motorcraft in our cars either don't know what they are doing or are "cheaping out".

I'm making an assumption that Ford tested the Voodoo engine with Motorcraft 5w-50 and that the engine will last a long time with that oil... I expect the engine will last much longer than I will keep the car.

I don't think using Motorcraft oil is anything like buying cheap tires - unless you can show me something real about Motorcraft oil that demonstrates that it doesn't work well.
 

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I'll buy the Pennzoil Ultra gig, only because I saw the research behind it... And it's ability to hold up under heat was stellar.

I've seen the research in a prior thread where MC 5w/50 had better properties than the holy grail Amsoil... But I have yet to see any data in this thread worth noting... Only hearsay. Ive yet to see a study where mC shears like you say.

Post some data so us science driven guys are not sold a used car salesman's tale...
 

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If you aren't tracking it i wouldnt be using a 5w50 ever no matter what the oil is. A 5w40 or 5w30 would be great. Amsoil typically is thinner in most weights than its competitors. I highly doubt amsoil is raising pressure
You guys are obviously much more well-versed in the dynamics of oils than am I, so sorry of this is a dumb question.

You're not the first to suggest 5w40 for a street-driven GT350. Amsoil's 5w40 is dubbed "European Car Formula" and comes in two variants, one "classic" and one "improved Emissions System protection."

Does the fact that it's a Euro formula matter?

If not, is one smarter than the other for our cars (Classic vs improved emissions)?
 

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Interesting that the numbers related to different mineral content look more like a random number generator than consistent figures that would lead me to a conclusion. When the numbers vary more than 100% from each other - that tells me that other variables have more to do with those numbers (owner usage comes immediately to mind) than the oil itself.

I would also neglect those numbers associated with initial fill as I don't believe that will compare to later oil changes. In my opinion, the initial break in will see a lot more material that has nothing to do with oil's ability to protect an engine.
 

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The debate over oil is never-ending. Oil works in mysterious ways and does things that we can't observe directly. It's magical stuff.

The way I think of it is like this: Imaging a ship that's crossing a sand bar. If it has 5 feet of clearance or 50 feet doesn't really matter - it won't run aground with either amount of clearance. The analogy to oil is that any oil that does the job (provides enough clearance to get over the sand bar) is good enough. There's no merit in being better than good enough.

As far as certifications by manufacturers, the certification means that the manufacturer has tested a particular product thoroughly to make sure that your engine will have adequate lubrication. Oil that hasn't been tested by the manufacturer will probably work too.

The oil debate runs along the lines of "product X is better than product Y" and, fair enough, product X might well be better. But if both are "good enough", then it simply doesn't matter. Your ship won't run aground.
 

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You are making an assumption that there is a problem associated with the shearing down of Motorcraft oil. You are also making an assumption that the Ford engineers who specify that we use Motorcraft in our cars either don't know what they are doing or are "cheaping out".

I'm making an assumption that Ford tested the Voodoo engine with Motorcraft 5w-50 and that the engine will last a long time with that oil... I expect the engine will last much longer than I will keep the car.

I don't think using Motorcraft oil is anything like buying cheap tires - unless you can show me something real about Motorcraft oil that demonstrates that it doesn't work well.
Im not making any assumptions. Youre free to speak with UnleashedBeast on svt if you like. You know what happens when you assume. Car makers are not building cars to last anymore. They want to sell you more cars. If you believe a voodoo running 5w50 is going to last 100+k on its MC using the car as ford intended on a 5k cycle, i have a bridge to sell you.

I'll buy the Pennzoil Ultra gig, only because I saw the research behind it... And it's ability to hold up under heat was stellar.

I've seen the research in a prior thread where MC 5w/50 had better properties than the holy grail Amsoil... But I have yet to see any data in this thread worth noting... Only hearsay. Ive yet to see a study where mC shears like you say.

Post some data so us science driven guys are not sold a used car salesman's tale...
i have yet to see Mc 5w50 do better then Amsoils 5w50. Not even close or even come close to an amsoil uoa.

Stroll over to svt there is a reason a lot of boss owners got away from it. :shrug:


A lot of gt500 owners stepped away from Mc 5w50 as well. Myself being one of them for my previous 14 gt500. ive listed who to speak with over there. You dont have to believe me. Its not my car. It doesnt hurt my feelings.
 

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My brand choice is either pennzoil ultra or amsoil/motul. What is going to be done with the car and how hard it will be driven before i just throw out some weights.
I will be driving the car on the street 99 percent of the time with some short bursts of throttle. I'm sure the more comfortable I get with the car ill be a little harder, but 95 percent of the time ill be cruising. My oil changes will be 3000 or less. I would bet they will be less than 1000 to 1500. My f350 diesel 2013 only has 12000 miles on it. For the truck I use the motorcraft 10- 30 diesel oil as recommended in the truck manual. Comments on that for oil would be nice too. I am a believer in the brand of oil for the product. I had CAT diesels and liked to use cat oil, Mercury oil for mercury products (boat engines) , ect.

This thread makes me crazy. I just want to use the best for this car.
 

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I will be driving the car on the street 99 percent of the time with some short bursts of throttle. I'm sure the more comfortable I get with the car ill be a little harder, but 95 percent of the time ill be cruising. My oil changes will be 3000 or less. I would bet they will be less than 1000 to 1500. My f350 diesel 2013 only has 12000 miles on it. For the truck I use the motorcraft 10- 30 diesel oil as recommended in the truck manual. Comments on that for oil would be nice too. I am a believer in the brand of oil for the product. I had CAT diesels and liked to use cat oil, Mercury oil for mercury products (boat engines) , ect.

This thread makes me crazy. I just want to use the best for this car.
If you are putting that litle of miles on the car, its going to be sitting a lot. So for your driving style and how much itll sit id use 5w30 or 5w40 if you prefer. Id only use amsoil in your application in the signature series.

As for diesels id use Rotella.
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