New supercharger choice

[racer85304]

I understand what you are saying especially since we are talking 6500 to 8k plus. It really comes comes down to the whipple vs roush and depending on what kind of deal I can’t get on the stage two I may just go that way.

Allow me to be the first to say “buy once, cry once”….shrug off the looks of the inverted design (personally, I like it) and get a Gen 5 Stage 2 Whipple. Massive cooling capacity due to a (thanks to the inverted design) dual-pass intercooler and big (even w the std one) heat exchanger, ability to turn the wot power down at will (torque reduction in flight control) if you want to pretend you have a stage I kit from W or Roush or PC on the street. Ability to turn up the power at will (flight control) or even more with boostane (octane adjust off) which are part of the as-delivered Whipple tune and Tomahawk controller, to the point where you’d hand a stock 13-14 GT500 its cajones. Downside? Cost but consider plenty of stage I Whipple people here who bought S1 due to cost and “street power” considerations but end up saying they should have just bought S2 in the first place. BTW the drivability of the 132mm TB on the stage 2 with the Whipple tune is excellent.

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you cannot go wrong with any power adder on a coyote, comes down to driving style, price, goals, and for some looks.

you have to remember most threads like this people are going to recommend what is on their car, as everyone wants to think what they have is the best choice. but its not always the best choice for everybody.



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[coz0502]

Just installed about 1500 miles ago a Whipple Stage 1 Gen 5 on my 2015 GT auto. Used a N Guage and Lund tune,
I have a 91 tune and bump into Stainless Works long tubes with their Cats.
Wanted a car safe to do road trips and tour but still hits hard when WOT.
Never drag race so not pushing for max power.
I very happy with the set up, car still get 21 mpg on the highway when driving normal but will really use fuel if you hammer it. I told my wife I installed a Whipple intake and she said the car runs a lot better than the old set up.
Good luck

How many miles are on your 15? I've been debating this on my 16 with 75k on it now that it is my fun car and no longer a daily driver. 2 concerns, first is obviously the cost, it's expensive and my Finance degree is yelling at me that putting several thousand into a depreciable assets is not very wise. Second is am I'm setting myself up for trouble with an 6 year old car with 75,000 miles on it?

1st concern is mine to figure out, but curious about thoughts on the 2nd?

 

[racer85304]

How many miles are on your 15? I've been debating this on my 16 with 75k on it now that it is my fun car and no longer a daily driver. 2 concerns, first is obviously the cost, it's expensive and my Finance degree is yelling at me that putting several thousand into a depreciable assets is not very wise. Second is am I'm setting myself up for trouble with an 6 year old car with 75,000 miles on it?

1st concern is mine to figure out, but curious about thoughts on the 2nd?

Not sure if you were asking the question to me but I have the same concerns you mentioned. I only have 25k miles on mine. It’s a lot of money to put into a 6 year old car. I paid cash for it from an older guy who was the original and only used it as a fun car. Would I buy a new mustang for 45k and put 8k supercharger on it probably not. I got the car for less than what I could sell it for even if I bought the supercharger I wouldn’t be out a lot and be close to breaking even if I sold it after purchasing the supercharger.

I just have always wanted an supercharged mustang.

 

[coz0502]

Not sure if you were asking the question to me but I have the same concerns you mentioned. I only have 25k miles on mine. It’s a lot of money to put into a 6 year old car. I paid cash for it from an older guy who was the original and only used it as a fun car. Would I buy a new mustang for 45k and put 8k supercharger on it probably not. I got the car for less than what I could sell it for even if I bought the supercharger I wouldn’t be out a lot and be close to breaking even if I sold it after purchasing the supercharger.

I just have always wanted an supercharged mustang.

It was directed at you, I was more interested in the mileage on your 15. The money issue isn't one of if I can afford it, it's more of do I want to afford it which only I can answer.

Thanks for replying, sounds like you got a good vehicle with low miles. I'm leaning towards keeping mine as is. An additional benefit of it not being a daily anymore is it seems way faster now that I drive it 1 or 2 times a week.

 

[racer85304]

It was directed at you, I was more interested in the mileage on your 15. The money issue isn't one of if I can afford it, it's more of do I want to afford it which only I can answer.

Thanks for replying, sounds like you got a good vehicle with low miles. I'm leaning towards keeping mine as is. An additional benefit of it not being a daily anymore is it seems way faster now that I drive it 1 or 2 times a week.

I don’t really drive mine as well. Wife drives it more so it never gets beat on except when I drive it. I don’t really have any complaints on the speed of the car. It’s faster than anything I have ever owned but it would be nice to be able to have that feel of boost when you want to.

 

[Zrussian13]

It was directed at you, I was more interested in the mileage on your 15. The money issue isn't one of if I can afford it, it's more of do I want to afford it which only I can answer.

Thanks for replying, sounds like you got a good vehicle with low miles. I'm leaning towards keeping mine as is. An additional benefit of it not being a daily anymore is it seems way faster now that I drive it 1 or 2 times a week.

I run TT so it's not apples to apples but pretty close. Put my kit on at 48,500 miles. That was this March. I'm already at 61,000 miles and the car loves boost even with some extra miles on the engine. Granted, I run low boost (roughly 600 whp @6lbs). But I do DD it and drive it hard every day.

 

[illadvised]

Are you sure you wouldn't be interested in a centri kit? I have a 2015 and my paxton kit did great in AZ heat this summer; uphill for huge sections of road at noon up to 112 degree heat. I make trips through there a few times a month

My car is probably the worst cooling mustang on here. I waited till it hit 100,000 miles before I installed the supercharger. It's a non pp car, with the basic stock radiator and no air dams installed. No radiator shields or bottom skid plate, no air deflector on the sides of the radiator either. I have the stock airbox with the snorkel removed, so the box basically draws air from inside the engine bay directly in front of a hot charge pipe. Stock thermostat too if that changes anything

I had IATs above 120 for large sections of the last drive. On the stock vortech tune, the car handled it great took it like a champ. 91 octane from plenty of AZ stations and never needed a octane booster or anything. No issues at all

Very fast, the perfect daily driver for me. The blower is easy to pull off and put on, easy to buy and sell if I want to upgrade since it is common

 

[Jordan @ Lethal]

If you're going with a positive displacement blower (Whipple, VMP, Roush), the Roush is the only one still using the older non-inverted design but is easily the least desirable as it suffers from heat issues and taps out on power way sooner than other. If your after basic power and you absolutely must have that look, then it's a consideration. Otherwise the new inverted style of the Whipple or Odin kit are vastly preferable as they are so much more efficient.

 

[racer85304]

Thanks everyone. I went ahead and ordered the Whipple gen 5 stage 1. Ford performance blue.

 

[beetle6986]

The roush guys all have all have complaints about the heat, and I have none of those issues. Heat causes detonation, so I would be wary of putting this one in my car.

If you're going with a positive displacement blower (Whipple, VMP, Roush), the Roush is the only one still using the older non-inverted design but is easily the least desirable as it suffers from heat issues and taps out on power way sooner than other.

The Roush guys with the heat issues are 2018+ with the inverted design. They get heat soaked quickly, I believe the issue is due to the intercooler. The 2015-2017 Roush blowers don't have this issue. I did put a triple pass heat exchanger on mine, but I had no heat issues before that. I just did it to reduce the heat, but I've done that with all my FI cars.

To the OP.. I think the Stock Roush tune for phase 2 (727 HP) is rated for 91 octane. I never noticed any knock or issues in my data logs on the stock tune. However, the stock tune is very conservative. It runs less timing and a rich fuel mixture. All the PD blowers are fairly equal when running moderate power levels. If you want max power 700+ whp, then the Whipple or VMP might be a better choice in that area. Other than that I don't think there is much difference.

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