New GTD Ring Time - Your Move GM

[9secondko]

And the Ford GT Mk IV is officially the fastest pure ICE vehicle around the Ring. The two others in front of it are either hybrid or pure EV.

So the question becomes for the pure ICE enthusiasts, which is considered better... EV, Hybrid, or internal combustion engine with no electric help?

That's cool for ICE clout. But it's not at all the discussion we are having about the GTD - or the GTD versus other street legal production cars.

The Mk4 run is a separate issue altogether from the GTD/ZR1/GT3/2/AMG One discussion.

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[Epiphany]

The Ford GT Mk IV is in the SAME category lapping the Nürburgring Nordschleife as the Corvette ZR1X and Corvette ZR1... in the prototype/pre-production class. Comparing different ring times in different classes is definitely comparing apples to grapefruits.

And the Ford GT Mk IV is officially the fastest pure ICE vehicle around the Ring. The two others in front of it are either hybrid or pure EV.

You're right on all counts. Some just can't accept the categorical victory here - fair enough. Stick to the GTD then. Ford will move up when the version you saw in blue and black is ready to be offered for public consumption. The run at the Ring at that point will be pretty much just to prove what they already know the car can do. Personally, I think they are shooting for a 6:39.9...

 

[2BigPups]

On a sperate note, nice dogs. They look like mine. Only mine are a mix of gray colors.

Thanks!!

And number three showing up in two weeks (Wife and I haven't decided on a name yet, waiting for him to come home first)

And I have no skin in the game for Ring times, LOL. Currently have a truck and an Explorer ST. Any and all GTDs, GT's, Corvettes of any type are currently out of this retirees budget.

 

[Ewheels]

Meh. Had to come back after my initial enthusiasm spike. After honking about it, this isn’t impressive at all. The GT mark 4 isn’t a street legal car. Even the AMG ONE is street legal. What’s next, Ford is going to break out a top fuel dragster Mustang and brag about its 0-60?

Thought this was a new Ord GT. ITS THEIR DEDICATED track-only car. Not legal for the street. The cool thing about the real cars is that you could buy one have it in your garage, impress your date, drive it to church, and then go tear up the track in record time.

rhis is just dumb. The “record” needs to be a separate category for real cars vs pro racing-only cars.

remember, the Gtd was supposed to be a big deal because “STREET LEGAL race car.”

So only street-legal cars can be impressive? F1, prototypes, time attack, specialty track-only cars from the OEMs are all boring and uninteresting? Ok.

Only street-legal cars are real? Everything else is imaginary? Got it.

Well I for one enjoy watching street-legal GT3RS's get passed up by unimpressive and imaginary v8 swapped, 1000hp Miata's with crazy aero.

 

[9secondko]

So only street-legal cars can be impressive? F1, prototypes, time attack, specialty track-only cars from the OEMs are all boring and uninteresting? Ok.

Only street-legal cars are real? Everything else is imaginary? Got it.

Well I for one enjoy watching street-legal GT3RS's get passed up by unimpressive and imaginary v8 swapped, 1000hp Miata's with crazy aero.

You missed the point entirely.

of course this MK4 run is extremely impressive. It’s amazing.

but it’s also a completely separate conversation than this thread is devoted to - The STREET LEGAL GTD and it’s Nurburgring competition.

Making a car really fast is great. But it’s a whole different can of worms when doing so in a car that grandma can legally drive to bingo one day and track it the next.

apples and oranges.

as noted before it’s like comparing mustang Gtd or dark horse sx 0-60 or 1320 times to a top fuel dragster. It’s a separate conversation.

 

[Dragster]

You're right on all counts. Some just can't accept the categorical victory here - fair enough. Stick to the GTD then. Ford will move up when the version you saw in blue and black is ready to be offered for public consumption. The run at the Ring at that point will be pretty much just to prove what they already know the car can do. Personally, I think they are shooting for a 6:39.9...

That GT is not a street legal car, even when it’s in the public’s hands. It’s still an awesome car and a great accomplishment, but not relevant in the slightest to the GTD or ZR1/X times.

 

[Ewheels]

After honking about it, this isn’t impressive at all.

of course this MK4 run is extremely impressive.

You're contradicting yourself at this point.


All Ford did was take their factory track car, do a lap, and post their time. No one here or even Ford themselves claimed it was a production car record. You were the one who compared it to the GTD and belittled the lap time because it's not street legal.

Now who's missing the point...

 

[robvas]

Mentioning a 1.7 million dollar track-only car in a thread that was based on the production GTD vs the production ZR1 doesn't really make sense

 

[GR1MxREAPER]

This is old news already.. they used a heavily modified version of the car and slicks.. rumor was it was closer to 1000hp. It was deemed invalid (because it isn’t the production version of the car) and that’s why you don’t see the car world going crazy because it isn’t the production version of the car so no one cares lol. This is why even ford didn’t say anything. It’s cool they ran a great time but sadly if you put those slicks on the corvette it would run way faster so no point to get excited for now lol..

 

[Epiphany]

That GT is not a street legal car, even when it’s in the public’s hands. It’s still an awesome car and a great accomplishment, but not relevant in the slightest to the GTD or ZR1/X times.

Not sure why you quoted me but eh, whatevs.

 

[9secondko]

You're contradicting yourself at this point.


All Ford did was take their factory track car, do a lap, and post their time. No one here or even Ford themselves claimed it was a production car record. You were the one who compared it to the GTD and belittled the lap time because it's not street legal.

Now who's missing the point...

LOL.

Walking and chewing gum are done on the regular. There is no contradiction. A fast car is impressive overall. The fact that that car does not belong in this conversation is also true- meaning it's not impressive in light of the GTD and production car competition discussion.

And plenty here were conflating the Mk4 times with the GTd times. So good luck with that. for someone who's claiming to agree with me about the issue., you sure seem to have some hurt feelings over it.

 

[Epiphany]

The GT mark 4 isn’t a street legal car. Even the AMG ONE is street legal.

AMG ONE street legal in the United States? Not as far as I know.

https://mercedes-world.com/amg-gt/mercedes-amg-one-banned-in-the-us

 

[9secondko]

AMG ONE street legal in the United States? Not as far as I know.

https://mercedes-world.com/amg-gt/mercedes-amg-one-banned-in-the-us

straw man argument.

I never said it was. A few reasons, not the least of which is the steering wheel in the wrong side - among other things I’ve already addressed. The euro mustang is also not street legal here.

The AMG One is however, street legal in Europe. You know… where the Nurburgring is.
Been over this already not many posts prior.

the mk4 is not street legal ANYWHERE. It doesn’t belong in a road car discussion anymore than a top fuel dragster should be in the road car acceleration figures discussion.

 

[Epiphany]

Straw man? OK, so now your focus is on vehicles legal outside the US? Got it. Euro Mustang not legal here? That's some pretty amazing mental gymnastics right there.

The record setting GT was classified in Germany, not here. The class doesn't exclude vehicles for the reasons you do so maybe you could start a sanctioning body that considers vehicles with times that only you find acceptable. You're halfway there already.

 

[9secondko]

Straw man? OK, so now your focus is on vehicles legal outside the US? Got it. Euro Mustang not legal here? That's some pretty amazing mental gymnastics right there.

The record setting GT was classified in Germany, not here. The class doesn't exclude vehicles for the reasons you do so maybe you could start a sanctioning body that considers vehicles with times that only you find acceptable. You're halfway there already.

yes. Straw man. It’s an accurate description of your creating something for you to burn down. Nothing to do with what I said.

It’s a simple yes or no question: is the AMG street legal? Yes it is. Where? Europe. Bid the mark 4 street legal? No it’s not. Why? It’s a race car. boom done.

It doesn’t matter if it’s not street legal here in the usa. It’s street legal in its home country. Just like euro mustsngs are not street legal in the usa.

the fact is, the AMG IS in fact STREET LEGAL. period. It’s A ROAD CAR. A PRODUCTION STREET LEGAL ROAD CAR. The mk4 IS NOT A ROAD CAR ANYWHETE IJ ANY COUNTRY WHATSOEVER. It’s a RACE CAR, illegal to drive in the streets. You know the difference. Dobt be so desperate to claim a win that you’re willing to bury your head in the sand on this issue. You’ve made a history of intelligent posts, but now your gaslighting? You’re better than that, man.

as I explained before, they are different categories and different discussions. Apples to oranges. Ford themselves made the distinction of the GTD being a production road car. ThATS why it’s “sub 7” run mattered.

If the mk4 and Gtd belonged in the same Nurburgring conversation, then Ford owes a major apology to everyone paying close to half a million dollars on the GTD.

We are making a big deal of the fact that the GT is the “fastest ICE car.” So there has been separate and distinct category for it to divide it from all cars, which include electric and hybrid. Therefore we must also honor the distinction between street legal production road cars such as the GTD/ZR1, GT3RS/AMG One. Race cars and road cars are totally and completely different worlds. Otherwise, if we ignore these categories and distinctions, the mark 4 isn’t the fastest anything. A couple other cars beat it on the ring.

so these distinctions matter. I know you know this.

I think people just do t know what to do sometimes when critical thinking enters the picture. They think it’s somehow bad to see all the pros and cons. No. It’s just reality. And it informs the big picture.

the fastest car is an electric vehicle around the ring. The fastest ICE vehicle of any sort is the GT MK4. The fastest production road car is the AMG One, with the GTD and ZR1 closing in - but the GTD revision making serious progress. The latter is the discussion we’ve been having since day one. The GT is a separate conversation, but great in its own right.

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