Mods for HPDE for 2019 non-pp ecoboost?

[KoreanKK]

Thanks.
Mine are larger and yet better clearance to the barrel of wide wheels, and also accommodate a spherical bearing as a future mod. The laser-cut edges are very nice, too.

oh nice. Where do you sell yours? Also are they compatible with ecoboosts? Other brake deflectors indicate that they are designed for GT's but no mention of ecos...

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[GTP]

More details are found in the link in my signature. I will send you a PM.

In this photo you can see that my vanes will even work with control arms without the 3 tapped bosses. The 4 tiny holes are located for re-drilling for U-bolts. So yes, they will work with Ecoboost arms.

 

[Walt]

I've got a 2017 Ecoboost with PP. I'm running a CPE Street size intercooler and have also upgraded to the 6 piston brembo kit together with deflector cooling plates and a GT undertray.

Biggest problem is still the brakes. I used DBA Extreme performance pads which were marketed at weekend trackday enthousiasts with max temp rating of 1022F. After just 15 minutes of driving I had to pull into the pits (see second problem). I checked the pads and they looked like burned charcoal and the rotors are glazed. Braking is still acceptable however so I'm hoping to run these a bit longer.

I was thinking of getting Gloc R10 front and R8 rear but I think I'm just going straight to R12 and R10 seeing how quickly my current pads gave up. All the tracks I run at are very hard on brakes.

Now the second problem even with the bigger PP radiator is overheating. Mainly the oil temperature got just shy of the yellow zone before I pulled in.

On a 90F trackday these were my temperatures after 15 minutes:
Engine oil: just on the edge of green/yellow so according to the service manual: 280F
Engine Coolant: 125F
CHT: Not measured but close to engine coolant on a quick glance at the dashboard.
Intercooler temp: 135F was the hottest temp with 90F ambient intake charge temps. Stayed between 122f-135f depending on the speed.
Diff and trans I don't know as I don't have a temp sensor there.


My next upgrade is probably Gloc or Carbotech R12/R10 equivalent and a mishimoto oil cooler to keep the temps down.

Don't make the same expensive mistake as me by buying suboptimal "trackpads" as I used up my new pads and rotors in just 7 laps.

 

[GJarrett]

@Walt I am wondering about overheating too; mine did overheat once and go into limp mode at Virginia International Raceway after I had already installed the PP radiator. I typically turn on heat sometimes to help keep it from overheating but that is seriously uncomfortable. What I usually do is take an easy lap during later in the session at a lower gear with the heat turned on and then run hard again.

I am seriously considering installing a Race Louvers center hood vent. I'm hesitant on the oil cooler because it will block/heat up airflow I need for the intercooler and radiator....

 

[Walt]

@Walt I am wondering about overheating too; mine did overheat once and go into limp mode at Virginia International Raceway after I had already installed the PP radiator. I typically turn on heat sometimes to help keep it from overheating but that is seriously uncomfortable. What I usually do is take an easy lap during later in the session at a lower gear with the heat turned on and then run hard again.

I am seriously considering installing a Race Louvers center hood vent. I'm hesitant on the oil cooler because it will block/heat up airflow I need for the intercooler and radiator....

The problem with fitting an oil cooler is that the standard gauge is inferred based on a mix of oil pressure, ECT, CHT, ... . There is no actual oil temperature sensor. So the computer will not know that the oil cooler is installed and will still display the wrong temperature and will still go into limp mode, even though your oil is actually 20F cooler.

So in terms of duration on the track, it does nothing for you it is only an extra safety for the engine. Unless you remove this limp mode safety trigger you will not notice a difference in time.

It might however take the temp back down quicker and put less stress on the radiator itself as the standard system also cools the oil with the radiator.

I'm still not sure whether I'll install one myself either after this got brought to my mind.

 

[TopJimmyCooks]

Haha Thank you. I actually flushed my brake fluid and filled up with motul 660 while I installed the 6p brembo brake Thank you for the brake cooling deflector kit. I will look into them too

Did you upgrade the rear brakes as well? The rotors that came on my son’s 2019 EB non-PP weren’t even vented.
FWIW, I upgraded it to Mishimoto radiator and intercooler after it went into thermal management mode at VIR. Prevented it from going in to thermal management mode again at Summit Point, but the oil still got “warm” (from what daughter told me, I wasn’t driving).

 

[GTP]

IMO & IME cooling the oil will be much more effective than hood vents.

I'm not familiar with where your intercooler is or how large it is. I designed and installed my own oil cooler system and it is low and horizontal so as not to block the radiator.

That said I am designing hood vents that will replace the OEM ones.

The problem with fitting an oil cooler is that the standard gauge is inferred based on a mix of oil pressure, ECT, CHT, ... . There is no actual oil temperature sensor. So the computer will not know that the oil cooler is installed and will still display the wrong temperature and will still go into limp mode, even though your oil is actually 20F cooler.

So in terms of duration on the track, it does nothing for you it is only an extra safety for the engine. Unless you remove this limp mode safety trigger you will not notice a difference in time.

It might however take the temp back down quicker and put less stress on the radiator itself as the standard system also cools the oil with the radiator.

I'm still not sure whether I'll install one myself either after this got brought to my mind.

This is wrong.

Everyone of us that installed an oil cooler stopped going into limp mode due to high CHT. There is a very long thread on many of our experiences.

 

[GJarrett]

I've noticed that there is an available area behind the right side of my grill that I could open up the grill and install an oil cooler behind there.... has anyone tried that? Is that where the Mach 1 and GT350 oil coolers are?

 

[GJarrett]

Everyone of us that installed an oil cooler stopped going into limp mode due to high CHT. There is a very long thread on many of our experiences.

Thread link please ? Are you talking about the monster gazillion post overheating thread?

 

[GTP]

Thread link please ? Are you talking about the monster gazillion post overheating thread?

Yes, the title is Track time limited due to high CHT.

My setup is featured in post #443 IIRC.

 

[GJarrett]

Thanks yeah that's a really long thread but a really good one

 

[Walt]

This is wrong.

Everyone of us that installed an oil cooler stopped going into limp mode due to high CHT. There is a very long thread on many of our experiences.

Well I actually truly hope you are correct, I'm still debating on getting an oil cooler. I've just been reading a lot of these threads the past weeks trying to solve the issue myself.

These are some posts I remembered
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/oil-temperature-gauge.106065/post-2931582
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/oil-temperature-gauge.106065/post-2332894
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/hpde-and-track-events.190523/post-3825502

Over on the mustangecoboost net site there is more, not sure I'm allowed to link these here so the post nr is the following: /posts/239098/ with title "ECU reaction to high oil temp?"

Once again I'm not an expert on this subject and trying to learn as well so I'm hoping you found some kind of fix to actually keep the car cooler so we can enjoy it longer on the track!

 

[GTP]

Hear me now, believe me later. You need an oil cooler, at least 50kBTU rejection with 10AN lines. The radiator can't handle the heat load by itself. Improved airflow is fine, but still not sufficient to solve the problem.

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