Lowering Spring question

[Wolfys11]

Not sure you want that argument as there are cheaper cars with better chassis to be had out there.....but i get what you're trying to convey to him.

My point wasnt to get the best options, it was to point at mustang comparable platforms that have real engineering for their suspension, not some assortment of parts from 4 companies he claims is the only way to lower a car 1/2”. People lower cars 4” and do less than he did, and still have great ride quality and handling

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[S550HPP]

Thats crazy, to call lowering springs a hack job and to say that it ruins the car… you have a mach 1, not a porsche 911.
Its a handling package on a car that had okay handling for what it is…

if you want to talk engineered suspension, talk gt500. Gt350. Other cars which actually can handle well.

do you keep a stock exhaust because you dont want to mess up the exhaust flow the factory deemed necessary too? Mods arent hack jobs, you dont need to spend 5 thousand dollars for a good mod

Average new model R&D is $1.4B incl thousands of hours suspension and components engineering to perform, be safe, and last while acceptable to target market that's bees exhaustively researched at costs of many millions.over decades.

M1 and S550 is far more popular in Germany amongst demographic that pays cash for Porsche 911.....

 

[Wolfys11]

Average new model R&D is $1.4B incl thousands of hours suspension and components engineering to perform, be safe, and last while acceptable to target market that's bees exhaustively researched at costs of many millions.over decades.

M1 and S550 is far more popular in Germany amongst demographic that pays cash for Porsche 911.....

The americans love the 911 because its german. Just like the europeans love the mustang because its the american v8 raw car, which is unlike everything else they make there

the factory also engineers cost vs profit, what the typical mustang owner will expect out of the car, what the mustang owner will care and look for vs other things they wont, and ultimately, they make something that is street ready. They make 911 with an option to lower and raise the car, because who wants to scrape their 911? Same with the mustang, except the mustang is a quarter of the price, so no chance we get raisable front ends, so we are left with a very tall ride height from factory

the factory does not make a car that is perfect for the consumer. I repeat, they do not make a car for your best interests. They make a car to make a profit. Please keep this in mind, when you hear about these insane recalls, problematic cars, etc. because they do things to make money, so they make a car to the spec of the buyer and not a single dollar spent more making the car great

brands like koenigsegg are the brands that design things to perfection, every single bolt is designed to be that way, and no other way

hence why every other mustang is modified in some way, and nearly all koenigsegg are left factory

 

[ArtieTheOneManParty]

I have a 2019 GT Premium, no PP, no Magneride, on 19x10 SVE wheels. I've been highly considering the Steeda Progressive lowering springs to drop the car 1". From the install videos I've watched, cutting the bump stocks is the only additional step. There wasn't mention of alignment or camber plates. I'm just trying to reduce the wheel gap, and not completely ruin the ride. I am in the Northeast, so yeah, the roads aren't great, but it is what it is. Will the spring-only upgrade do what I want, possibly with an alignment after?

Here's my car currently:

 

[Wolfys11]

I have a 2019 GT Premium, no PP, no Magneride, on 19x10 SVE wheels. I've been highly considering the Steeda Progressive lowering springs to drop the car 1". From the install videos I've watched, cutting the bump stocks is the only additional step. There wasn't mention of alignment or camber plates. I'm just trying to reduce the wheel gap, and not completely ruin the ride. I am in the Northeast, so yeah, the roads aren't great, but it is what it is. Will the spring-only upgrade do what I want, possibly with an alignment after?

Here's my car currently:

Its a question of what camber do you want to run. Apparently the rear can be adjusted by a mustang knowledgable guy, to the right spec, the front will probably need a camber bolt

Or you can run higher negative camber and be fine, the car will be better in turns but the tire will wear badly, but ride quality will be better not worse by most other springs than oem

 

[ArtieTheOneManParty]

I just want to lower it. I don't know anything about camber changes, but I also don't want my tires to wear quicker. I'm not tracking the car.

 

[tj@steeda]

Whenever we install lowering springs on a Mustang at our Valdosta, GA facility, we require the Steeda 555-8139 Mustang Camber Plates (2015-2024) to ensure proper alignment.

Why? The factory strut mounts do not allow for camber adjustment.
Lowering your Mustang naturally increases negative camber, leading to uneven tire wear.
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Protect your investment and get it done right the first time with Steeda Camber Plates! You can do it at the same time of install & will pay dividends down the road.

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[yella fella]

I just want to lower it. I don't know anything about camber changes, but I also don't want my tires to wear quicker. I'm not tracking the car.

Do it! I had just the lowered springs using factory struts and shocks- no uneven tyre wear after six years- no alignment necessary. Looks excellent but the rear hammers over bumps :(. easy to cut half or one coil off the standard rear springs-fronts cant be cut due to their tapering

 

[Wolfys11]

Do it! I had just the lowered springs using factory struts and shocks- no uneven wear after six years- no alignment necessary

It wont wear THAT badly, but it will wear worse than the correct camber. Bad camber isnt the worst for bad wearing, toe is most important for eating tires

id also say just do it and if it becomes a problem you can add the tophats or camber bolts later

 

[greasy]

I have a 2019 GT Premium, no PP, no Magneride, on 19x10 SVE wheels. I've been highly considering the Steeda Progressive lowering springs to drop the car 1". From the install videos I've watched, cutting the bump stocks is the only additional step. There wasn't mention of alignment or camber plates. I'm just trying to reduce the wheel gap, and not completely ruin the ride. I am in the Northeast, so yeah, the roads aren't great, but it is what it is. Will the spring-only upgrade do what I want, possibly with an alignment after?

Here's my car currently:

I would listen to @S550HPP and spend $3.456 BILLION to lower your car. Because you want it done properly, not like some 15 year old hack cutting up stock springs darting all over the road.

 

[NightmareMoon]

If you lower a car, the alignment does change, not just the obvious camber change bit the toe on all four corners will shift, and if you disassemble the rear and front to put those lowering springs in there, that can also shift the alignment.

Basically budget for an alignment after lowering. Your tires will last longer.

Im not saying you have to correct the camber effects from lowering, but at least fix the toe after you drop it. If you cant afford the alignment, idk man, dont lower it.

 

[ArtieTheOneManParty]

At the end of the day, I want it done right. I'm hoping my friend and I can install the springs. Then I can take it to a shop for the camber plates and alignment.

 

[S550HPP]

Or can just buy spacers to get wheels closer to fender opening significantly altering optics of wheel gap and see if it's good enough before cutting own springs and reinstalling with same bump stops and joints.

Never know might work.

 

[Wolfys11]

At the end of the day, I want it done right. I'm hoping my friend and I can install the springs. Then I can take it to a shop for the camber plates and alignment.

Camber plates are easy to diy, to do springs you have to take off the stock hats, then tou just put it together with the new springs and the new hats

 

[Wolfys11]

Or can just buy spacers to get wheels closer to fender opening significantly altering optics of wheel gap and see if it's good enough before cutting own springs and reinstalling with same bump stops and joints.

Never know might work.

This does nothing for the monster truck look, you alter a totally different aspect of wheel fitment. It will look better from behind and in front of the car, it does nothing from a side view which springs will fix

also, how can you say springs are a hack job but spacers are great? Spacers are known to be a “hackjob” version of doing it the right way; buy new rims that are the correct offset so you do not stress the bolts and lugnuts having to lengthen the bolt to hold a higher shear strength.

be consistent in your opinion brother

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