Limp Mode on the Track

[zombiekiller]

I definitely do NOT agree with any type of legal action approach. I would just like to see a viable solution from Ford Performance for Base/tech owners that intend to track their cars.

Maybe even a supported by Ford aftermarket solution that won't void your warranty.

this is where i am at.

I just want ford to be fair about it. I'll pay a reasonable price for what i want. I really don't care if it is from ford or from the aftermarket.

BUT, if the manual says " add coolers for track use" and then I add aftermarket coolers because ford does not offer a FP or factory part to do so...

THEN i have a problem with the car that was not based on an aftermarket cooler failure, and Ford denies my warranty claim, based of the car being modified with non-ford parts...

THEN i will most certainly lose my shit and employ the services of legal counsel.

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[montreal ponies]

I'm going to call FP tomorrow. I'll talk to Mike and send him the links to these threads then.

Much appreciated, don't forget to mention that it is also an issue for us base car owners. We're not many, but we're there.

So does anyone wants to start a poll /thread wich mods can sticky afterwards.

I know Paul, he'll do it for us poor Shelby GT350 owners. ;)

 

[CANTWN4LSN]

Most track capable Mustang ever, right?

IMHO anyone who bought a Tech pack intending to track it really has only themselves to blame. The Tech pack includes what makes the car a great performer in handling and power on a country road derived from track use but without the coolers wasn't intended for significant track use itself. Track pack is self explanatory. Understand that due to limited availability some had to grab what they could.
Full disclosure: shifted my 2016 Tech to a 2017 at same dealer as not yet built, not because I intend to track it, but if I decide to sell (not likely) a second or third owner might want to, and I do have a little 'margin of safety' concern which whether warranted or not is debatable.

 

[zombiekiller]

IMHO anyone who bought a Tech pack intending to track it really has only themselves to blame. The Tech pack includes what makes the car a great performer in handling and power on a country road derived from track use but without the coolers wasn't intended for significant track use itself. Track pack is self explanatory. Understand that due to limited availability some had to grab what they could.
Full disclosure: shifted my 2016 Tech to a 2017 at same dealer as not yet built, not because I intend to track it, but if I decide to sell (not likely) a second or third owner might want to, and I do have a little 'margin of safety' concern which whether warranted or not is debatable.

define significant.

I would not define significant as a 20 min HPDE session.

significant to me is every weekend, sitting at an open track day, pulling 20-30 laps at a time.

We're talking about being able to run 5 to 6 laps every once in a while.

good for you that you have an option. where would you be if you already had your car for a month and were let down by limp mode?

 

[65sohc]

I would try this before paying a retainer:
https://www.heatshieldproducts.com/automotive

 

[snaproll]

What a bunch of pansies. If it quits, Put a cooler on it already. Honestly, can anyone complaining take themselves seriously unless they bring real tech to this discussion? There is a reason they offered a TRACK pack. And it wasn't because the TECH pack would not survive the 24 hours of Daytona. I suspect the noise makers here have few laps on track. Because a true track rat understands the limitations.

 

[Hack]

IMHO anyone who bought a Tech pack intending to track it really has only themselves to blame. The Tech pack includes what makes the car a great performer in handling and power on a country road derived from track use but without the coolers wasn't intended for significant track use itself. Track pack is self explanatory. Understand that due to limited availability some had to grab what they could.
Full disclosure: shifted my 2016 Tech to a 2017 at same dealer as not yet built, not because I intend to track it, but if I decide to sell (not likely) a second or third owner might want to, and I do have a little 'margin of safety' concern which whether warranted or not is debatable.

Well as long as you're humble I won't take offense, right? :cheers:

I disagree. Obviously.

If Ford would have made it clear that the most track capable Mustang ever needed to have the track pack option in order to run a 20 minute HPDE at 65 F with a novice driver, I would have bought a track pack with the assumption I needed to swap out seats to something that would work for me.

I actually would have been fine with that, because the Sync, nav, heated and cooled seats, blah blah weren't important to me. Being able to comfortably fit in the car was and is pretty critical though.
I mean - I know I'm bigger than most, but I hardly think I'm fat. Here's a clip of a recent photo.


Yeah ok maybe this is going kind of far, but I'm really tired of the little guys on here calling me fat. If they want to come call me fat to my face they are welcome to it. I don't fit into Recaros at all. I'm not sure I could even get behind the wheel of a GT350 with Recaros. I'm 6'4" 230. Hardly NBA or NFL material. I don't think I'm that far out of the mean, really. But Ford's Recaros are way too small for me.

So shoot me - I wanted to have a GT350 where I could fit comfortably in the seats and go to 2 or 3 HPDEs a year. Is that too much to ask?

 

[snaproll]

Just a hunch, but there are literally a few fittings, some rubber hose, a sertrab or some such quality oil cooler in a number of fun and different shapes and sizes to suit your paranoia or actual needs, a bracket to mount along with a pump, power wires, and a cockpit switch to make the most efficient cooler available. Just like all the race cars use. I put one in the trunk of the Cobra R with fans. Just Not sure I would do that on a GT350 as there are surely better places.

 

[TRACK CRAZY GT350]

What a bunch of pansies. If it quits, Put a cooler on it already. Honestly, can anyone complaining take themselves seriously unless they bring real tech to this discussion? There is a reason they offered a TRACK pack. And it wasn't because the TECH pack would not survive the 24 hours of Daytona. I suspect the noise makers here have few laps on track. Because a true track rat understands the limitations.

Obviously you are the one who has little understanding of what it takes to keep a car on the track for 20 minutes. Take almost any car made in the last 10 years and it will survive a 20 minute HPDE event without overheating. And if you think it is because a PANSIE is behind the wheel don't even go there. The last car that should go limp is the GT350! You said just put a cooler on it. Want to tell us how that is done? You had better look into that one. I didn't buy a 60 thousand dollar car so that I would have to pit after 10 minutes on the track. We have all the right in the world to complain.

 

[superman07]

He is right you know.

"define significant.

I would not define significant as a 20 min HPDE session.

significant to me is every weekend, sitting at an open track day, pulling 20-30 laps at a time.

We're talking about being able to run 5 to 6 laps every once in a while.

good for you that you have an option. where would you be if you already had your car for a month and were let down by limp mode?"

 

[montreal ponies]

Obviously you are the one who has little understanding of what it takes to keep a car on the track for 20 minutes. Take almost any car made in the last 10 years and it will survive a 20 minute HPDE event without overheating. And if you think it is because a PANSIE is behind the wheel don't even go there. The last car that should go limp is the GT350! You said just put a cooler on it. Want to tell us how that is done? You had better look into that one. I didn't buy a 60 thousand dollar car so that I would have to pit after 10 minutes on the track. We have all the right in the world to complain.

Yep well said.

 

[superman07]

snaproll is a useless troll

 

[snaproll]

Obviously you are the one who has little understanding of what it takes to keep a car on the track for 20 minutes. Take almost any car made in the last 10 years and it will survive a 20 minute HPDE event without overheating. And if you think it is because a PANSIE is behind the wheel don't even go there. The last car that should go limp is the GT350! You said just put a cooler on it. Want to tell us how that is done? You had better look into that one. I didn't buy a 60 thousand dollar car so that I would have to pit after 10 minutes on the track. We have all the right in the world to complain.

[ame]

Really, I do know a bit about tracking mustangs. I don't do much video but the above are a couple wet laps at Sebring. With a GT350, are taking a 526 HP 8,000 rpm 3,700 lb car without the track pack and complaining the factory electronics might save your trans?

 

[snaproll]

snaproll is a useless troll

This is not very nice. Sorry if "Pansies" offended you.

 

[Mr Monte]

Obviously you are the one who has little understanding of what it takes to keep a car on the track for 20 minutes. Take almost any car made in the last 10 years and it will survive a 20 minute HPDE event without overheating..

My last track outing was on a 2.5 miles road course with my 2013 Mustang GT (my son driving) and my 2014 SS Sedan (6.2L V8 with Brembo brakes). We were hitting speeds of 140+mph on the straight and 110mph on the big sweep. No issues with either car running six 20 minute sessions except the Mustang suffered brake fade bigtime.

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