Lightest IC for upgrade

[Joshinator99]

Without e85, its pointless, and most dont go e85 in ecos

Just to be clear, this is not true. A bigger turbo will have much lower IATs than a small turbo that is pushed hard. Perfect example is the new ZR1. Massive turbos allowed GM to make 1064 HP on 93 octane fuel since the charge temperature is so low.

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[Joshinator99]

I don't have a need for E85 at this time but was just stating that it's not readily available at the pump for a lot of the US. Not everyone is willing to buy it in barrels and have no place to store it if they did buy it by the barrel.

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10-4

Just throwing out that option in case it helps.

 

[Wolfys11]

Just to be clear, this is not true. A bigger turbo will have much lower IATs than a small turbo that is pushed hard. Perfect example is the new ZR1. Massive turbos allowed GM to make 1064 HP on 93 octane fuel since the charge temperature is so low.

Brother, a zr1 has a good 5.5L motor to make 600hp without the turbos.

They can afford huge turbos that come on later.

A 2.3L cannot use huge turbos. You push the powerband up with bigger turbos, with 180hp without boost the car will feel awful, not to mention a stock turbo can already push the motor to the limit of internals on 93, then if you had internals, the block will only hold another 100hp

Big turbo is a waste on 2.3 eco, unless you go full out e85 with big turbo and 2.0 block swap with 2.3 internals

 

[Buldawg76]

Yep, bigger turbo on stock block and internals is just a bomb waiting to explode even on E85.

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[robvas]

Just to be clear, this is not true. A bigger turbo will have much lower IATs than a small turbo that is pushed hard. Perfect example is the new ZR1. Massive turbos allowed GM to make 1064 HP on 93 octane fuel since the charge temperature is so low.

Doubt the turbos are pushing that low of temps, there's other things going on that allow that.

It's 9.8:1 compression, has specially engineered air to water intercoolers, and direct injection

GT500's have lower compression and can make 900+ and they don't have DI

Hellion teamed up with XDI fuel systems and made 1047hp on 93 octane on a gen 2 Coyote

 

[Schwerin]

Get a proper IC then relocate battery to trunk, problem solved.

 

[Joshinator99]

Doubt the turbos are pushing that low of temps, there's other things going on that allow that.

It's 9.8:1 compression, has specially engineered air to water intercoolers, and direct injection

GT500's have lower compression and can make 900+ and they don't have DI

Hellion teamed up with XDI fuel systems and made 1047hp on 93 octane on a gen 2 Coyote

If you think pushing a smaller turbo harder and outside its efficiency island doesn’t increase temps, then there isn’t much for us to talk about lol

The Ecoboost is DI just like the ZR1 and has a lower CR than a Coyote since it was designed for boost. So I’m not sure where you’re going with your post. But we can agree to disagree. Cheers.

 

[robvas]

If you think pushing a smaller turbo harder and outside its efficiency island doesn’t increase temps, then there isn’t much for us to talk about lol

The Ecoboost is DI just like the ZR1 and has a lower CR than a Coyote since it was designed for boost. So I’m not sure where you’re going with your post. But we can agree to disagree. Cheers.

I'm not quite disagreeing with you I'm just saying there's a lot more to it than that. The turbos aren't that big on the ZR1 it makes 800lb-ft at 3,000rpm. You could put a big turbo on the eco and it won't do all that great on pump.

Comparing a tiny turbo being maxed out to the correctly sized turbo isn't real a fair comparison it's just common sense.

 

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[Joshinator99]

I'm not quite disagreeing with you I'm just saying there's a lot more to it than that. The turbos aren't that big on the ZR1 it makes 800lb-ft at 3,000rpm. You could put a big turbo on the eco and it won't do all that great on pump.

Comparing a tiny turbo being maxed out to the correctly sized turbo isn't real a fair comparison it's just common sense.

The turbos on the ZR1 are twin 76mm, making them the largest turbos ever fitted to a production car. So, big enough right lol?

OEM’s are famous for under sizing turbos. I have twins on my Expediton Limited (3.5L EcoBoost) and I like to joke the turbos are the size of silver dollars. That said, doing so makes turbo lag non-existent so it caters to the average driver who just wants good throttle response. But for us crazies, we want more.

On the last point, agree 100% and that’s why I suggested it.

 

[robvas]

Is there any factory turbo car that makes anywhere near the 1000hp that the Corvette makes?

seems like everything is in the 600hp zone and uses 3-4 liters to make it

 

[Joshinator99]

Is there any factory turbo car that makes anywhere near the 1000hp that the Corvette makes?

seems like everything is in the 600hp zone and uses 3-4 liters to make it

Bugatti Veyron comes to mind of course but not apples to apples obviously (bigger motor quad turbos).

Edit: Koenigsegg Regera is also twin turbo and 1100 HP on pump gas.

 

[S550HPP]

Hey everyone,

I looked though other threads, and didn’t find a definitive answer, but apologies if I missed it.

Simply put, the stock IC is ~6.5lbs and most upgrades seem to be ~20-30lbs. Therefore, for someone trying to keep their nose as lightweight as possible, which IC upgrade would tick this box?

My pony is a 2020 HPP + HP - many thanks

I installed Garrett IC on my HPP didn't even have to take bumper off took 45 min weighs maybe 15lb or so.....it's the only kn you know will work seamlessly with HPP turbo / flow rates etc they make the turbo too

 

[Wolfys11]

Yall are really wanting to swap turbo instead of upgrade intercooler………

Or did yall forget what the original op point was? To find a light intercooler upgrade

Yes there are cars with millions of dollars invested to make 1000hp on pump gas…. But not 2.3 ecoboosts made for the slow drivers of mustangs

People arent willing to spend 2-3 thousand dollars to upgrade turbo a little bigger to be in the better effiency of turbo for a 2.3 budget car nor to get 30 more hp on pump gas vs stock turbo

 

[S550HPP]

It's not about upgrade turbo which is OE Garrett it's about IC which Garrett IC matches up with perfectly.....anyway need a lot of HP to compensate for extra 200lbs of V8 and the extra 20 lb per wheel, then there's the low end power and which is amazing in 2.3HPP VS rev do 3800 V8 drop the clutch wait for traction control to turn off or simply wait off the line which is especially frustrating in stop and go cut and thrust driving.

Nothing beats the V8 on the Autobahn when floor it doing 80 next thing you know hitting speed limiter VS wait wait wait for Ecoboost.

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