Letter to FORD addressing ADM?

[superman07]

Shelby continues to be the least reliable car I have ever owned. 2011 F150 was about dead at 120k despite almost all highway miles and maint like clockwork. 2018 F150 already in the shop twice for IWE problems before 2800 miles. This last truck was purchased at a significant discount from invoice, or I would have went another direction. Still got burned lol. I pray for these 500 owners.

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[bdub85]

I really think eventually the ADM will catch up to FORD in the long run and hurt them, whether by bad blood, bad sales, or just plain internet bad chatter. Loyalty will fall by the wayside if it already hasn't and that is not even taking into account any issues the cars themselves have. I am just going sit back and let it play out while i try somewhat hard to search for a good deal.

Unfortunately I don’t think that will ever be the case. As long as there is a new speciality car that’s getting a ton of hype, dealers will continue to tack on ADM as long as they can get it. The good news is after the first model year, ADM pretty much disappears.

 

[protraxduner]

Unfortunately I don’t think that will ever be the case. As long as there is a new speciality car that’s getting a ton of hype, dealers will continue to tack on ADM as long as they can get it. The good news is after the first model year, ADM pretty much disappears.

Heavy Sigh..................You are probably right.......

 

[CAL Captain]

I continue to be amazed at all the pantie-twisting going on here over something you are completely free to NOT participate in.

ADM evil? The window sticker with $5,000 added to it a missive from Satan, himself? The cause of the next stock market crash? Fine. Don't pay it.

And--while you're not paying it--quit complaining about it. I've never seen so much bitching about something you just aren't going to stand for and for which you're absolutely free to not stand for.

So, take the principled position and DON'T PAY IT! Go buy something sitting on the lot for 10% off MSRP and be done with it and rejoice that you just screwed the dealer out of his profit. Yeah, it goes that way, too. For every car a dealer adds ADM, there are 10 that go for less than MSRP.

Jeez.

 

[cosmic charlie]

I continue to be amazed at all the pantie-twisting going on here over something you are completely free to NOT participate in.

ADM evil? The window sticker with $5,000 added to it a missive from Satan, himself? The cause of the next stock market crash? Fine. Don't pay it.

And--while you're not paying it--quit complaining about it. I've never seen so much bitching about something you just aren't going to stand for and for which you're absolutely free to not stand for.

So, take the principled position and DON'T PAY IT! Go buy something sitting on the lot for 10% off MSRP and be done with it and rejoice that you just screwed the dealer out of his profit. Yeah, it goes that way, too. For every car a dealer adds ADM, there are 10 that go for less than MSRP.

Jeez.

I think what everyone is trying to tell you is the only reason there is ADM is because of people (yea like you) that are willing to go out of their way to pay more than the MSRP (real price) of a car. Reminds me of the 475.00 hammers the government buys (by the thousands). If nobody paid ADM there would be no ADM. End of story.

 

[bdub85]

I think what everyone is trying to tell you is the only reason there is ADM is because of people (yea like you) that are willing to go out of their way to pay more than the MSRP (real price) of a car. Reminds me of the 475.00 hammers the government buys (by the thousands). If nobody paid ADM there would be no ADM. End of story.

It’s supply and demand. More demand than supply with a brand new car. People pray premiums to have theirs first. Once demand drops and/or supply catches up, Adm goes away.

 

[cosmic charlie]

It’s supply and demand. More demand than supply with a brand new car. People pray premiums to have theirs first. Once demand drops and/or supply catches up, Adm goes away.

Yea like I said. If someone is willing to pay ADM that means someone else won't be able to buy it at the real (MSRP) price. The thing is there are a lot of people that probably waited (and saved) forever to even have the chance to buy one. Just because someone is willing to spend stupid money (and some of these people just buy one to flip it for a profit) these people don't even have the opportunity to buy one. (Even though most probably deserve to have one more than the people that are willing to spend stupid money.) It's ridiculous!

 

[CAL Captain]

I think what everyone is trying to tell you is the only reason there is ADM is because of people (yea like you) that are willing to go out of their way to pay more than the MSRP (real price) of a car. Reminds me of the 475.00 hammers the government buys (by the thousands). If nobody paid ADM there would be no ADM. End of story.

Gee, good thing I can afford to buy a car I like when I want it and not a year or more later 'cause I'm too cheap to pay what it cost at the time I wanted it.

You're right: there's definitely something wrong with this system where you can get what you want as long as you don't mind paying for the privilege.

By the way, nice try equating my ADM with a $475 hammer. Anybody ever told you you were a drama queen?

 

[CAL Captain]

Yea like I said. If someone is willing to pay ADM that means someone else won't be able to buy it at the real (MSRP) price. The thing is there are a lot of people that probably waited (and saved) forever to even have the chance to buy one. Just because someone is willing to spend stupid money (and some of these people just buy one to flip it for a profit) these people don't even have the opportunity to buy one. (Even though most probably deserve to have one more than the people that are willing to spend stupid money.) It's ridiculous!

What is this? "The Socialists Guide to Automobile Purchasing"?

Thanks for the tip, Comrade; next time I'll forgo the car I want so the guy who can't afford it can get it instead. Maybe you can pass a law that says I have to pay the first year of his car payments, too.

 

[Tomster]

The base R I bought today had an ADM. I told them I wasn't going to pay it. MSRP or no deal. I bought the car at MSRP and I was ready to walk. Either it's right or it's not. There was no attitude about it, it's just a matter of what the market bears. The 500 is the newest and people will pay extra to have it. Nobody is entitled to anything. If there are only so many to go around, then people will pay more to have it. Figure out what you can afford and if you can't, well then wait until you can

 

[obspsd]

The base R I bought today had an ADM. I told them I wasn't going to pay it. MSRP or no deal. I bought the car at MSRP and I was ready to walk. Either it's right or it's not. There was no attitude about it, it's just a matter of what the market bears. The 500 is the newest and people will pay extra to have it. Nobody is entitled to anything. If there are only so many to go around, then people will pay more to have it. Figure out what you can afford and if you can't, well then wait until you can

So, do you have three GT350R cars now?

 

[CANTWN4LSN]

Just food for thought and I understand that there are those who would disagree. Not a socialist at all. But markets do require more than just what you can get for something. Morality has to enter somewhere. The proof is that some dealers sell for MSRP and not just because they are trying to build a customer base. They truly are good people and make a good enough living at MSRP. The same is true in every craft or profession and even die-hard capitalists appreciate these people even though they might consider them fools for leaving money on the table. Supply and demand is not the be all end all. And I don't believe that nonsense about needing the ADM to make up for losses on all the other sales. I just travelled 160 miles to purchase a truck for $3000 less than local who said they gave me their best price but would match other's price but I went with the dealer who dealt straight with me from the get go. No, I don't want to see it legislated and I personally wouldn't pay an ADM. But I would appreciate a better business model reflecting that morality from Ford itself. After all the MSRP is what they think it is worth brand spanking new. It is what it is though.

 

[Tomster]

So, do you have three GT350R cars now?

Yes. Unfortunately, HR361 will have to go. That will bring me back down to 2 R's. The one I bought today was 1 out of 135 ever produced and it was the last base R model to roll off the line. I hope that sheds light on what I did and why I did it.

 

[CAL Captain]

Just food for thought and I understand that there are those who would disagree. Not a socialist at all. But markets do require more than just what you can get for something. Morality has to enter somewhere. The proof is that some dealers sell for MSRP and not just because they are trying to build a customer base. They truly are good people and make a good enough living at MSRP. The same is true in every craft or profession and even die-hard capitalists appreciate these people even though they might consider them fools for leaving money on the table. Supply and demand is not the be all end all. And I don't believe that nonsense about needing the ADM to make up for losses on all the other sales. I just travelled 160 miles to purchase a truck for $3000 less than local who said they gave me their best price but would match other's price but I went with the dealer who dealt straight with me from the get go. No, I don't want to see it legislated and I personally wouldn't pay an ADM. But I would appreciate a better business model reflecting that morality from Ford itself. After all the MSRP is what they think it is worth brand spanking new. It is what it is though.

Tell me exactly where “morality” enters. Is it $100 ADM? $500? $2500? 3%?

How much money do you make? Tell me because I want to decide how much of that you actually need and give the rest to some other guy.

The only thing dealers selling at MSRP proves is that some dealers sell at MSRP.

Do you own a home? Sold one? Did you sell to the buyer who offered you the most or did you take one for the team and sell it for less to the guy who couldn’t afford your “MSRP”?

This is a scary thread.

 

[bdub85]

Just food for thought and I understand that there are those who would disagree. Not a socialist at all. But markets do require more than just what you can get for something. Morality has to enter somewhere. The proof is that some dealers sell for MSRP and not just because they are trying to build a customer base. They truly are good people and make a good enough living at MSRP. The same is true in every craft or profession and even die-hard capitalists appreciate these people even though they might consider them fools for leaving money on the table. Supply and demand is not the be all end all. And I don't believe that nonsense about needing the ADM to make up for losses on all the other sales. I just travelled 160 miles to purchase a truck for $3000 less than local who said they gave me their best price but would match other's price but I went with the dealer who dealt straight with me from the get go. No, I don't want to see it legislated and I personally wouldn't pay an ADM. But I would appreciate a better business model reflecting that morality from Ford itself. After all the MSRP is what they think it is worth brand spanking new. It is what it is though.

The great thing is you don't have to pay ADM. You can just wait until the ADM is gone.

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