Letter to FORD addressing ADM?

[Hack]

Just food for thought and I understand that there are those who would disagree. Not a socialist at all. But markets do require more than just what you can get for something. Morality has to enter somewhere. The proof is that some dealers sell for MSRP and not just because they are trying to build a customer base. They truly are good people and make a good enough living at MSRP. The same is true in every craft or profession and even die-hard capitalists appreciate these people even though they might consider them fools for leaving money on the table. Supply and demand is not the be all end all. And I don't believe that nonsense about needing the ADM to make up for losses on all the other sales. I just travelled 160 miles to purchase a truck for $3000 less than local who said they gave me their best price but would match other's price but I went with the dealer who dealt straight with me from the get go. No, I don't want to see it legislated and I personally wouldn't pay an ADM. But I would appreciate a better business model reflecting that morality from Ford itself. After all the MSRP is what they think it is worth brand spanking new. It is what it is though.

So, when you sell something, do you charge as much as you can? Or do you sell for a low price in order to satisfy your sense of right and wrong? If you are buying do you expect to pay the same price that you would sell for? Or do you try to sell at a higher price and buy at a lower price?

If you are negotiating with some kid selling a car versus a dealer, do you go easy on the kid and settle for a higher price? Or do you try for the lowest price you can get?

Try to perform a mental exercise and take yourself out of the ADM equation. Think in general about people's rights to buy and sell items. Are you sure it makes sense that charging more for something that is rare or desirable is immoral?

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[CANTWN4LSN]

No, not scary at all. At some point when one has more than they need the concept of greed enters the system. I am not saying this is absolute or that the government needs to intervene in a socialist manner that you seem to fear. What I am saying is that when one dealer in town sells for MSRP and another in the next for $20K over, then yes there may well be greed involved. And no, I will put a price on my house when I sell it and if someone offers more I won't up it just because they are willing to pay more. The market and competition are good things that can take care of many economic situations but without some sense of morality they can fail because of greed. Perhaps not in the element of non-essentials like a GT500 but the principal still applies.

 

[Timeless]

I'd be curious about all these people against ADM if they are also against other forms of this revenue?

Do they pay for fast pass at Universal Studios to bypass the lines or other similar situations?

Again, ADM is a personal choice. You do not have to pay it if you are willing to wait. I have never paid it and never will. It almost killed me to pay full MSRP on the RS.

 

[CAL Captain]

No, not scary at all. At some point when one has more than they need the concept of greed enters the system. I am not saying this is absolute or that the government needs to intervene in a socialist manner that you seem to fear. What I am saying is that when one dealer in town sells for MSRP and another in the next for $20K over, then yes there may well be greed involved. And no, I will put a price on my house when I sell it and if someone offers more I won't up it just because they are willing to pay more. The market and competition are good things that can take care of many economic situations but without some sense of morality they can fail because of greed. Perhaps not in the element of non-essentials like a GT500 but the principal still applies.

When I made my "scary" remark, it was a delicate way of saying not that the thread was scary but that you and people like you were scary because you actually believe this claptrap and vote accordingly. Vladimir Lenin had a term for you.

It's a shame this thread went from an argument about how stupid some of us were for paying ADM to a jump into the 2" deep waters of socialism.

 

[Hack]

No, not scary at all. At some point when one has more than they need the concept of greed enters the system. I am not saying this is absolute or that the government needs to intervene in a socialist manner that you seem to fear. What I am saying is that when one dealer in town sells for MSRP and another in the next for $20K over, then yes there may well be greed involved. And no, I will put a price on my house when I sell it and if someone offers more I won't up it just because they are willing to pay more. The market and competition are good things that can take care of many economic situations but without some sense of morality they can fail because of greed. Perhaps not in the element of non-essentials like a GT500 but the principal still applies.

You have way more money than you need if you are even considering buying a new car. You should also sell your house, donate the equity and start renting. If you are consistent in your morals you should really give that extra money away. Just because you worked hard for that money, that doesn't matter.

Don't be greedy.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Gee, good thing I can afford to buy a car I like when I want it and not a year or more later 'cause I'm too cheap to pay what it cost at the time I wanted it.

You're right: there's definitely something wrong with this system where you can get what you want as long as you don't mind paying for the privilege.

By the way, nice try equating my ADM with a $475 hammer. Anybody ever told you you were a drama queen?

Obviously you have much more money than brains. Enjoy paying your ADM's. Maybe pick yourself up a 100.00 case of Heineken on the way home!

 

[CAL Captain]

Obviously you have much more money than brains. Enjoy paying your ADM's. Maybe pick yourself up a 100.00 case of Heineken on the way home!

Well, I have enough money to buy what I want when I want it. Whether I have more money than brains is for you to decide, right, Comrade? I mean, you'd love to tell me I have too much, right? Just like you'd love to pass laws that prevent businesses from selling their products for what prices they determine because you could do it so much better, right, Comrade? Not to mention it's immoral and social justice demands it.

I don't drink beer; I drink champagne.

I notice you claim to live in both FL and MA. Do you have 2 homes? Why? That's extravagant and wasteful. You having 2 homes means that someone else doesn't have one. You need to immediately give up that extra home you don't need. I think you need to keep the one in MA. That way you can continue to fund the state of MA rather than avoid taxes by also having that unneeded home in FL.

You're greedy.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Well, I have enough money to buy what I want when I want it. Whether I have more money than brains is for you to decide, right, Comrade? I mean, you'd love to tell me I have too much, right? Just like you'd love to pass laws that prevent businesses from selling their products for what prices they determine because you could do it so much better, right, Comrade? Not to mention it's immoral and social justice demands it.

I don't drink beer; I drink champagne.

I notice you claim to live in both FL and MA. Do you have 2 homes? Why? That's extravagant and wasteful. You having 2 homes means that someone else doesn't have one. You need to immediately give up that extra home you don't need. I think you need to keep the one in MA. That way you can continue to fund the state of MA rather than avoid taxes by also having that unneeded home in FL.

You're greedy.

Sure I have two homes. I'm sure you also noticed I have a lot of cars (didn't even list them all). The reason I have them is because I don't spend money stupidly. I paid what the price was (or less if negotiable) for everything I have. Not more than the price. You probably should have laid off the champagne the day you bit the bullet!
Not greedy. Smart.

 

[CAL Captain]

Sure I have two homes. I'm sure you also noticed I have a lot of cars (didn't even list them all). The reason I have them is because I don't spend money stupidly. I paid what the price was (or less if negotiable) for everything I have. Not more than the price. You probably should have laid off the champagne the day you bit the bullet!
Not greedy. Smart.

Oh, I see; when you do it, it's "smart". When others do it, they're "greedy".

Thanks for the clarification, Comrade. You are the very model of a modern socialist hypocrite.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Oh, I see; when you do it, it's "smart". When others do it, they're "greedy".

Thanks for the clarification, Comrade. You are the very model of a modern socialist hypocrite.

Now your not making any sense. Where do you see anywhere in any of my posts that I was stupid enough to pay ADM like you? That's what this whole thing is about. Your willingness to stupidly pay more for the car than the price of the car which is MSRP.

 

[CAL Captain]

Now your not making any sense. Where do you see anywhere in any of my posts that I was stupid enough to pay ADM like you? That's what this whole thing is about. Your willingness to stupidly pay more for the car than the price of the car which is MSRP.

Actually, you're not making sense; but that's par for lefties.

You need to re-read your own blatherings: YOU'RE the one who moved the discussion from how stupid everyone was for paying ADM to how greedy dealers are who do ADM. I get that you're too smart to pay ADM. You've made irritatingly clear, ad nauseam, that the rest of us proles who just want the car a year earlier are stupid and abetting greedy dealers while you flaunt your many homes and cars.

In short, you're an insufferable dolt.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Actually, you're not making sense; but that's par for lefties.

You need to re-read your own blatherings: YOU'RE the one who moved the discussion from how stupid everyone was for paying ADM to how greedy dealers are who do ADM. I get that you're too smart to pay ADM. You've made irritatingly clear, ad nauseam, that the rest of us proles who just want the car a year earlier are stupid and abetting greedy dealers while you flaunt your many homes and cars.

In short, you're an insufferable dolt.

Gee, good thing I can afford to buy a car I like when I want it and not a year or more later 'cause I'm too cheap to pay what it cost at the time I wanted it.

You're right: there's definitely something wrong with this system where you can get what you want as long as you don't mind paying for the privilege.

By the way, nice try equating my ADM with a $475 hammer. Anybody ever told you you were a drama queen?

Hey stupid is stupid any way you look at it.

What is this? "The Socialists Guide to Automobile Purchasing"?

Thanks for the tip, Comrade; next time I'll forgo the car I want so the guy who can't afford it can get it instead. Maybe you can pass a law that says I have to pay the first year of his car payments, too.

You really are something else.

 

[CAL Captain]

I’m a fairly normal man of accomplishment who doesn’t brag about wealth and possessions and who doesn’t attempt to dictate how others run their lives and businesses.

 

[obspsd]

Yes. Unfortunately, HR361 will have to go. That will bring me back down to 2 R's. The one I bought today was 1 out of 135 ever produced and it was the last base R model to roll off the line. I hope that sheds light on what I did and why I did it.

Sounds good to me!. Thanks for the info!

 

[cosmic charlie]

I’m a fairly normal man of accomplishment who doesn’t brag about wealth and possessions and who doesn’t attempt to dictate how others run their lives and businesses.

You don't brag about wealth and possessions yet you are the one that brought both into the discussion.

Hey, this is capitalism at work. Nobody forced anybody to buy a car with ADM.

I paid ADM on my Bullitt. As a result, I've been having a blast with it for the past 4 months and I didn't have to drive out of state to get it.

Someday, I might be able to get one at MSRP or less from the same dealer. Some day. When is that, exactly?

Ford, like virtually every other large corporation, sucks hard. A company exists to make money. Some like to be "socially responsible" (whatever that means--usually it means they don't want any trouble from "activists").

Vote with your dollars.

I don’t consider myself a “dope”, exactly. Just a guy who wanted a car likely to be in short supply indefinitely and who paid a premium for the privilege of moving to the front of a line of unknown length.

Since many of these cars are luxury items, there will ALWAYS be those to whom price is no object. This is as it should be. I paid ADM because I wanted the car sooner and guaranteed because I anticipate keeping it forever. Nobody twisted my arm. So, be mad at me.

I continue to be amazed at all the pantie-twisting going on here over something you are completely free to NOT participate in.

ADM evil? The window sticker with $5,000 added to it a missive from Satan, himself? The cause of the next stock market crash? Fine. Don't pay it.

And--while you're not paying it--quit complaining about it. I've never seen so much bitching about something you just aren't going to stand for and for which you're absolutely free to not stand for.

So, take the principled position and DON'T PAY IT! Go buy something sitting on the lot for 10% off MSRP and be done with it and rejoice that you just screwed the dealer out of his profit. Yeah, it goes that way, too. For every car a dealer adds ADM, there are 10 that go for less than MSRP.

Jeez.

Sounds like you were so happy to pay ADM that you couldn't even keep it in your pants. Like I said you really are something else.

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