I like COVID 19

[Docscurlock]

Ad hominem.

It's kinda like the pastor that keeps holding church services, I'm all for praying and praising God right now, just not in a room of other people.

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[Caballus]

Ad hominem.

The focus is the argument, I assure you. Looking to understand your view of how this disease works.

 

[Shadow277]

The nation does not need to be shut down until no one has the disease (which is not a flu). The spread needs to be slowed so 1) hospitals do not continue to get overwhelmed and 2) treatments, preventions and potentially cures can be developed. It is a common sense delaying action; trade space for time and then counterattack. Currently, we do not know enough about the disease to try to go toe to toe with it. That has proven to be a failed approach.

That's what he's saying. Because people are not responsible enough and Wu Flu is spreading, his loved one is at risk. There are more iminent dangers to that person over Wu Flu. You're thinking I'm discountint it. I'm saying that the likilihood of contraction is smaller in comparison to other threats.

 

[Shadow277]

The focus is the argument, I assure you. Looking to understand your view of how this disease works.

Saying that it's not about me and then making it about me is straw arguement too. You guys are full of fallacies. What's next, owling?

 

[Gregs24]

Agree. EU should centralize further as well.

Yes it should, but the EU is made up of different countries so a lot more difficult. EU itself has organised some things on a Europe wide scale such as respirator purchases. Plus UK isn't actually in the EU any more, just a transition phase as we leave. As to whether that is a good thing or not - a whole different can of worms !

 

[Gregs24]

Or maybe @Gregs24 would prefer this approach...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52095500

Far from it - EU has heavily criticised Hungary for this - and far from democratic

 

[Caballus]

That's what he's saying. Because people are not responsible enough and Wu Flu is spreading, his loved one is at risk. There are more iminent dangers to that person over Wu Flu. You're thinking I'm discountint it. I'm saying that the likilihood of contraction is smaller in comparison to other threats.

The world disagrees with your threat assessment. Moreover, neither the facts nor experience bear it out. While you're amusing yourself with misleading, arrogant phrasing (WuFlu), responsible people are taking responsible actions. Do as you wish, and remain in a state of blissful ignorance as you put other lives at risk.

 

[Caballus]

Far from it - EU has heavily criticised Hungary for this - and far from democratic

EU? What's that got to do with the UK? You believe the EU is too invasive, no? Further, EU criticism didn't prevent the law from being enacted. So, your point?

 

[Caballus]

Yes it should, but the EU is made up of different countries so a lot more difficult. EU itself has organised some things on a Europe wide scale such as respirator purchases. Plus UK isn't actually in the EU any more, just a transition phase as we leave. As to whether that is a good thing or not - a whole different can of worms !

Can of worms? It's the crux of the matter. It's about independence vs. centraliZation. The comparison is absolutely valid.

 

[Caballus]

Saying that it's not about me and then making it about me is straw arguement too. You guys are full of fallacies. What's next, owling?

I am not you guys. This is about YOU and ME.

 

[Gregs24]

Actually, did some math. Lessen the subjectivity and base your statement ("Not a great time for a decentralised system, even if it works for other things.") on facts gathered through comparative analysis.

UK COVID Cases: 25,000
UK COVID Deaths: 1800
UK Percentage: 7.2% (of confirmed UK COVID cases have resulted in death)

US COVID Cases: 190,000
US COVID Deaths: 4,000
US Percentage: 2.1% (of confimed US COVID cases have resulted in death)

Appears from above, that to date, decentralization, or what you refer to as disjointed(ness) has proven more effective than a centralized approach.

Now, analyze the results of centraliZation (yes, that's a 'zee' not an 's' or a 'zed'). The U.S. established a decentralized form of government to limit the national government's ability to interfere with the inalienable rights of its citizens (we have no subjects). Decentralization comes at a cost, but the determination was made that the cost outweigh the benefit.

Stepping into a contemporary example, the UK voted to leave the European Union for want of greater autonomy, said otherwise, greater decentraliZation.

Just hard facts.

Completely wrong I'm afraid. Nobody can use deaths to cases figures as the cases figures are pretty meaningless. All countries have undiagnosed positives and the death rate is unlikely to vary very much per se. Yes healthcare strain will influence it, as will population age but there is no way you are going to get 7.2% v 2.1%. In addition to all of this the US is at an earlier stage of the outbreak compared to US.

I'll post a link on death rates etc later that explains it all much better

 

[Gregs24]

Contagious disease does not work through infected individuals coming into contact with uninfected individuals? How then does it work?

I think you are wasting your breath on this one !

 

[Hadelson]

Clearly pulling our chain. I just won't believe anyone is that self centered or ignorant? Perhaps I am wrong.

 

[Gregs24]

Wu Flu

Please stop using that term - it is NOT FLU

 

[Caballus]

Completely wrong I'm afraid. Nobody can use deaths to cases figures as the cases figures are pretty meaningless. All countries have undiagnosed positives and the death rate is unlikely to vary very much per se. Yes healthcare strain will influence it, as will population age but there is no way you are going to get 7.2% v 2.1%. In addition to all of this the US is at an earlier stage of the outbreak compared to US.

I'll post a link on death rates etc later that explains it all much better

You stated previously that the UK's policy was based on available data and would adjust as more data became available. Above is the available data. Are you abandoning that position now and basing your stance on "gut feel"? The objective data says 7.2% v. 2.1%.

In addition, a nation in an earlier stage will not, per force, replicate the pattern of the later stage nations. Why? Lessons learned. So, 7.2 v. 2.1 is fact. Centralized and decentralized are also fact. Maybe you should decentralize a bit...

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