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Hello; trying to recall what we attached to a bicycle to make a noise. Whatever it was we fixed it so it hit the spokes. That would be a neat sound.
The fart sound is hard to picture. Is it one long sound or a series of toots?
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Hello; trying to recall what we attached to a bicycle to make a noise. Whatever it was we fixed it so it hit the spokes. That would be a neat sound.
The fart sound is hard to picture. Is it one long sound or a series of toots?
If I recall, you can make it do short ones and long ones.

We used to put crappy baseball cards in between the spokes of our bike wheels. They also made bead-like things that would move up and down the spokes as you pedaled.
 

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Can the incoming Administration arbitrarily change some or all of the above means, so as to steer consumers to yet other types of vehicles? Yes. To a point.
There is that pesky commerce clause that has been bastardized to mean anything the GOV wants. It's actual intent is to keep one State from taxing (tariff) or banning goods (legal goods, so pot doesn't fit here) from other States. Now Ford or some other company needs to fight the Ca ban in court and the SCOTUS can over turn the law. Maybe a citizen group can do it. Might have to wait till it goes into effect.
 

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...the new Ioniq 5 N with pumped in ICE sounds and a "rev limiter" and fake gear changes is a step in the right direction for us enthusiasts if we have no other choice.
To me, this is ridiculous. Imagine if the early automobile manufacturers had given buyers coconuts with their cars so they could simulate horse galloping sounds. :)
 

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EVs are the future to eventually surpass ICE vehicles in terms of lower maintenance and economy. Downsides to be addressed include readily available fast chargers with a standard connector, lower prices, readily available and modular parts (for repairs in minor collisions), and most important shielding batteries from fires.
Agree. Lower maintenance costs are a key factor in addition to not buying gasoline in driving consumer demand for EVs. Tesla is way ahead of everyone else on charging infrastructure, which is the main reason the Model Y is already the best selling vehicle in multiple states. Expect the prices of EVs to keep declining as technology advanced. The government has already had to impose 50% tariffs on cheap Chinese EVs.

Today's answer is the compromise of Hybrids over ICE vehicles.
Yes. My other vehicle is a Ford Maverick hybrid.

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Love my Bullitt. However, when and if a GT Hybrid comes to market, I'm in.
I might be interested, too. But if the price difference is similar to how much more a Corvette E-Ray costs vs. a Stingray it would likely be out of reach for me.
 

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Agree. Lower maintenance costs are a key factor in addition to not buying gasoline in driving consumer demand for EVs.
Where is all that electricity going to come from? Is the electric fairy going to wave her magic wand?
 

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Where is all that electricity going to come from? Is the electric fairy going to wave her magic wand?
I'm starting to see more electric fairies in my area.
 

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Agree. Lower maintenance costs are a key factor in addition to not buying gasoline in driving consumer demand for EV
Hello; I do not yet have any confidence EV's will have lower maintenance costs overall. Overall is what will count, not some snapshot period of ownership. Even now with various incentives and the additional things paid for with other people's monies, the initial cost is much higher. An Ev is in a real way a set of computers with wheels and electric motors. I have had plenty of other things loaded with chips and circuit boards become either unrepairable or too expensive to repair. I am specifically thinking of a really nice TV right now. A Samsung Hi def TV which became junk for lack of a specific circuit board. Was a common failure board and all replacements were gone by the time my TV needed one.
Then there will be trade-in/resell value at the end. This has to count as a cost factor

Buying gasoline! Well since strong & successful efforts were made to get gas and diesel prices artificially high, such ploys need be taken into account. The hope was to make the cost of having an ICE greater so as to make an EV seem cost effective. Even so the extra costs of an EV was enough to cancel that out.
On top of that unless you can charge at home several real world episodes showed that charging at pay chargers did cost more than buying gas/ diesel.
Another dig at the artificially high cost of diesel being the inflation of all consumer products that resulted. Bought any groceries lately?


Where is all that electricity going to come from?
Hello; Keep making this point. The rose-colored glasses will have to come off at some point. perhaps like they did with "natural -immunity" eventually during the pandemic.
 

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Hello; I do not yet have any confidence EV's will have lower maintenance costs overall. Overall is what will count, not some snapshot period of ownership. Even now with various incentives and the additional things paid for with other people's monies, the initial cost is much higher. An Ev is in a real way a set of computers with wheels and electric motors. I have had plenty of other things loaded with chips and circuit boards become either unrepairable or too expensive to repair. I am specifically thinking of a really nice TV right now. A Samsung Hi def TV which became junk for lack of a specific circuit board. Was a common failure board and all replacements were gone by the time my TV needed one.
Then there will be trade-in/resell value at the end. This has to count as a cost factor

Buying gasoline! Well since strong & successful efforts were made to get gas and diesel prices artificially high, such ploys need be taken into account. The hope was to make the cost of having an ICE greater so as to make an EV seem cost effective. Even so the extra costs of an EV was enough to cancel that out.
On top of that unless you can charge at home several real world episodes showed that charging at pay chargers did cost more than buying gas/ diesel.
Another dig at the artificially high cost of diesel being the inflation of all consumer products that resulted. Bought any groceries lately?
I think the initial cost of EVs will continue to decline, all while range and performance continue to improve. The government subsidies are intended to speed up adoption but at some point won't be needed.

Good point about resale value. It can definitely offset lower maintenance cost. Currently I think resale is negatively impacted by battery life uncertainty and by new, cheaper models getting released with better range and performance. Maybe leasing an EV is best in the current environment.

Computers and chips are a major part of today's ICE cars, too. There really is no escape from dealing with defects and failures of those things.
 

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government subsidies are intended to speed up adoption but at some point won't be needed.
Hello; My take is this assumption is now and will continue to be wrong. I do not have the link at hand but think when incentives stopped in Germany EV sales tanked. Manufacturers and consumers can be forced into EV's if those with the 'power" can maintain. People will settle for an inferior vehicle if they do not have a choice. So, i get the someday incentives will not be needed under a no ICE can be sold situation.

Computers and chips are a major part of today's ICE cars, too.
Hello; To a very large degree new ICE are as you say, loaded with chips. A thing is there are lots of older ICE chassis around which have a lot fewer or none. Made me think of the 1950's cars in Cuba.
 

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Hello; My take is this assumption is now and will continue to be wrong. I do not have the link at hand but think when incentives stopped in Germany EV sales tanked. Manufacturers and consumers can be forced into EV's if those with the 'power" can maintain. People will settle for an inferior vehicle if they do not have a choice. So, i get the someday incentives will not be needed under a no ICE can be sold situation.


Hello; To a very large degree new ICE are as you say, loaded with chips. A thing is there are lots of older ICE chassis around which have a lot fewer or none. Made me think of the 1950's cars in Cuba.
I am waiting for carbs to come back around and my old school mechanic skills might come in handy :)
 

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I think the initial cost of EVs will continue to decline, all while range and performance continue to improve. The government subsidies are intended to speed up adoption but at some point won't be needed.
I don't see how. Ford loses 50K per EV sold. Only reason China's EV's are so cheap is the Chinese Gov subsidies.
 

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Anyone that mocks EVs needs to drive one! Even a cheaper one is great (besides Leaf and Toyobaru Soltera/b4zx). $25k will get an older Model 3 and maybe Mach-E or Kia EV6 / Hyundai Ioniq 5. All are absolute BLASTs to drive as dumb commuter appliances. Legitimately fun to drive when pushed, and super calm and comfortable when not. A bespoke EV chassis is heavy but rigid and with a super low center of gravity. makes most of them handle GREAT.

My next utility vehicle (currently a Forester) will probably be electric.
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