I drove my first EV

[CarmeloS]

Biggest reason you can’t buy a V8 sedan today is because nobody buys sedans anymore. Everyone wants a stupid SUV or a big ass luxury truck (remember when trucks were needed for function and not as a status symbol?, I miss those days). We (the large, general we) have been trained to think we need these giant land yachts and the manufacturers make a tidy profit from them. Yes, the CAFE has a lot to do with it too. I’m not saying that CAFE is the answer (it’s not) but having some oversight over dumping toxic chemicals into the water system and what is discharged into the air among other things is a good and needed.

Just my opinion, we all see things a little differently and that’s ok. People seem to forget that these days (not directed at you in particular just a general statement).

Is it though? I feel because Govt had their thumb on the scales, people went from sedans to SUVs/CUVs because they were less regulated, cause and effect. You get a Truck w/a V8 for the same price as a V8 sedan with more utility, and trucks are all gussied up when they used to be basic and utilitarian due to manufacturers realizing they could sell them to Men who still want big engines but also something pratical.

Thing is, not everyone wants a big SUV or Truck, and would gravitate back towards cars if Manufacturers truly offered and advertised what people wanted.

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[sk47]

people went from sedans to SUVs/CUVs because they were less regulated, cause and effect.

Hello; Yes i saw it happen. Cars got stricter mpg and other regulations. Trucks were exempt from much of the MPG quotas. I also miss a basic truck. Hard to find one now.

 

[CarmeloS]

Hello; Yes i saw it happen. Cars got stricter mpg and other regulations. Trucks were exempt from much of the MPG quotas. I also miss a basic truck. Hard to find one now.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Glad I'm not the only one to have noticed that. If they just left everything well enough alone, we'd have big engines instead of small boosted engines and manuals in everything and the CUV craze probably would never have happened.

 

[sk47]

Hello; did someone mention the EPA?

EPA orders vehicle modification device manufacturer to pay nearly $3 million: '[It] has gone on for far too long'

 

[MAGS1]

Is it though? I feel because Govt had their thumb on the scales, people went from sedans to SUVs/CUVs because they were less regulated, cause and effect. You get a Truck w/a V8 for the same price as a V8 sedan with more utility, and trucks are all gussied up when they used to be basic and utilitarian due to manufacturers realizing they could sell them to Men who still want big engines but also something pratical.

Thing is, not everyone wants a big SUV or Truck, and would gravitate back towards cars if Manufacturers truly offered and advertised what people wanted.

Like I said, I’m sure the CAFE played a not small role in it too. What caused what, I’m not sure and I don’t think we’ll ever really know. But there’s also way more profit in a truck or SUV than a sedan or coupe so the manufacturers follow the money. Funny too how trucks are exempt but arguably more fuel efficient sedans aren’t? Tells me all I need to know about CAFE and how dumb it is, which I think we all agree on.

Some regulation is needed, otherwise it turns into the wild west. But it also needs to be efficient and limited in scope (two things that any government does not do well so it probably won’t happen).

 

[sk47]

Hello; EPA and other alphabet agencies. There is an imagined idealized nature of these agencies and the real nature of these agencies. The idea of powerful agencies looking out for us in terms of health, safety, food, consumer protections and so on is appealing. I want clean water to drink. Clean air to breathe. Foods and medicines to be safe to consume and so on. The EPA has had some positive impacts on things such as air & water pollution. I was around in the 1950's and 60's.

However, all is not bright and shiny in the EPA and other such agencies. They have adopted agendas. They have grabbed powers beyond the initial scope of their congressional mandates. A clear example recently was the way they declared honeybees to be "fish". Do not get me wrong. I get that honeybees are vital to our continued existence. Bees need to be protected. They are not, however fish. A point being if such an agency can falsely manipulate words so as to be able apply freshwater regulation powers to bees, then what stops these agencies from other such actions.

The EPA and perhaps other such agencies are being used in the "war" against fossil fuels. Be it electric generation or ICE MPG's & emissions. It would be one thing if the agencies were simply acting under direct orders. I suspect, but cannot show evidence for, that they have become powers unto themselves. Seems likely they are not being forced to favor some agendas.

Enough on this from me for now.

 

[CarmeloS]

Hello; EPA and other alphabet agencies. There is an imagined idealized nature of these agencies and the real nature of these agencies. The idea of powerful agencies looking out for us in terms of health, safety, food, consumer protections and so on is appealing. I want clean water to drink. Clean air to breathe. Foods and medicines to be safe to consume and so on. The EPA has had some positive impacts on things such as air & water pollution. I was around in the 1950's and 60's.

However, all is not bright and shiny in the EPA and other such agencies. They have adopted agendas. They have grabbed powers beyond the initial scope of their congressional mandates. A clear example recently was the way they declared honeybees to be "fish". Do not get me wrong. I get that honeybees are vital to our continued existence. Bees need to be protected. They are not, however fish. A point being if such an agency can falsely manipulate words so as to be able apply freshwater regulation powers to bees, then what stops these agencies from other such actions.

The EPA and perhaps other such agencies are being used in the "war" against fossil fuels. Be it electric generation or ICE MPG's & emissions. It would be one thing if the agencies were simply acting under direct orders. I suspect, but cannot show evidence for, that they have become powers unto themselves. Seems likely they are not being forced to favor some agendas.

Enough on this from me for now.

Didnt the recent Chevron ruling basically strip away their power to make up shit and roll with it? Forget the details, just that they were struck a major blow

 

[K4fxd]

They have grabbed powers beyond the initial scope of their congressional mandates. A clear example recently was the way they declared honeybees to be "fish".

The bottom line on these agencies is they "cannot" fix anything.

Lets use the EPA as an example. If they come out today and say the air is clean and the water is safe, then what purpose do they have to exist? None, they did their job and now can be disbanded.

So it is suicide for any agency to fulfill their purpose.

 

[sk47]

Didnt the recent Chevron ruling basically strip away their power to make up shit and roll with it? Forget the details, just that they were struck a major blow

Hello; Afraid I do not know much about this. guess I need to look this up. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[sk47]

Didnt the recent Chevron ruling basically strip away their power to make up shit and roll with it? Forget the details, just that they were struck a major blow

What is the Chevron deference and why has it been overruled?
Hello; Do not know if this link gets it correct but I like what i found after a first read. This should take some of the wind from the sails of these agencies. As stated in the link congress should have to be much more specific in the language they enact into law and will not so easily let these alphabet agencies come up with interpretations. A ray of sunshine on these agencies.

Thanks again

 

[Skye]

Regarding SCOTUS, arguments and rulings, there is a separate source for each.

Text briefs and rulings are dense and not for the faint of heart.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/slipopinion/24

Audio hearings can be quite good.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio/2024

As a preparation for the hearing, briefs are filed with SCOTUS ahead of time. At the hearing, each side receives 45 minutes to an hour to make their case. A quick summary of their argument is stated, then that individual takes questions from the court.

"Ipso facto and habeus corpuscle. It's obvious!" I've yet to hear an argument go that easy. The justices and lawyers speak in simple, plain english, but their questions and reasoning require someone with a deep knowledge of the law.

Highly-recommended listening.

 

[MAGS1]

But I can see the EV mandate getting slashed and easing up the CAFE rules happening. There’s a big enough lobby for that to happen

 

[526 HRSE]

Ev's are not silent. They make a horrific sound.

 

[MAGS1]

Somewhat back on track, my neighbor down the street bought a CyberTruck yesterday. What an absolutely hideous hunk of metal. My daughter even made a comment about it and she’s not into cars at all. He flagged me down, pointed and gave me a thumbs up. I just laughed and waved and kept going as I had somewhere to be. Will try to check it out up close this weekend if I have time.

 

[K4fxd]

If he wants a cyber truck, more power to him. I'm glad there is one for him to buy. Just don't want them forced on me.

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