Hellion turbo options

[Horizon5.0]

I’m looking towards getting the hellion bottom mount kit for my 2019 mustang gt. i want the most cost effective way of going about it and im wondering if it’s necessary to upgrade the turbos. i plan to make about 800-850whp on the stock motor for a while then bumping it to about 1k after building the motor and trans. are the base 6262 t4 standard turbos adequate for that or would it be required to get the 6262 upgraded turbos with the red spool. i don’t really plan to ever go beyond maybe 1100. and that’s a maybe. so are the base 6262 good for that?

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[Zrussian13]

I've been running the base 6262s for 4 years and 60k miles now. Still going strong sitting at 784whp. I doubt they are close to maxed out but your best bet is reaching out to hellion to see what the base turbos can handle.

 

[Horizon5.0]

I've been running the base 6262s for 4 years and 60k miles now. Still going strong sitting at 784whp. I doubt they are close to maxed out but your best bet is reaching out to hellion to see what the base turbos can handle.

alright 784 sounds like a real good number to me for 4 years. i’ll definitely contact them.

 

[Vandor]

I’m looking towards getting the hellion bottom mount kit for my 2019 mustang gt. i want the most cost effective way of going about it and im wondering if it’s necessary to upgrade the turbos. i plan to make about 800-850whp on the stock motor for a while then bumping it to about 1k after building the motor and trans. are the base 6262 t4 standard turbos adequate for that or would it be required to get the 6262 upgraded turbos with the red spool. i don’t really plan to ever go beyond maybe 1100. and that’s a maybe. so are the base 6262 good for that?

The standard turbos are GT3582s that have a .70 trim compressor and .81 trim T4 exhaust flange. I believe they start off as GT3582 with T3 but hellion sends them out to get upgraded to a T4 and they install a custom 360 degree thrust bearing, as it doesn't match a GT35 or GT28 thrust bearing. It has a Borg warner style oil hole and thrust bearing but is a GT3582 confirmed for sure. You can purchase a GT3582R cartridge and swap it out with the Hellion standard 6262 turbo for 500$ and that's a legit GT3582R not a china turbo. You can have a nice ceramic ball bearing upgrade for about a $1000 vs $3000 precision turbo. Technically any turbo with a T4 housing and 3 inch band and a 4 inch in with 2.5 out should fit fine in the Hellion kit.

Just make sure you run restrictors with ball bearing turbos as they don't need as much oil as journel. They sell special AN fittings that restrict oil follow for ball bearing turbos and screw right in the top of the oil port on the turbo and then you fit your feed line to it. Arashi dynamics has a beautiful kit that includes all piping and awesome AN oil feed lines.

Also I forgot to mention OCD Works does the HLX screamer upgrade and it's called a T51R mod and it costs about 350$ per compressor cover. You can send in the covers to them and they turn them around in about 4-6 days. Then you can have a ball bearing turbo and screamer mod, which sounds insane on these cars.

 

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[Zrussian13]

The standard turbos are GT3582s that have a .70 trim compressor and .81 trim T4 exhaust flange. I believe they start off as GT3582 with T3 but hellion sends them out to get upgraded to a T4 and they install a custom 360 degree thrust bearing, as it doesn't match a GT35 or GT28 thrust bearing. It has a Borg warner style oil hole and thrust bearing but is a GT3582 confirmed for sure. You can purchase a GT3582R cartridge and swap it out with the Hellion standard 6262 turbo for 500$ and that's a legit GT3582R not a china turbo. You can have a nice ceramic ball bearing upgrade for about a $1000 vs $3000 precision turbo. Technically any turbo with a T4 housing and 3 inch band and a 4 inch in with 2.5 out should fit fine in the Hellion kit.

Just make sure you run restrictors with ball bearing turbos as they don't need as much oil as journel. They sell special AN fittings that restrict oil follow for ball bearing turbos and screw right in the top of the oil port on the turbo and then you fit your feed line to it. Arashi dynamics has a beautiful kit that includes all piping and awesome AN oil feed lines.

Also I forgot to mention OCD Works does the HLX screamer upgrade and it's called a T51R mod and it costs about 350$ per compressor cover. You can send in the covers to them and they turn them around in about 4-6 days. Then you can have a ball bearing turbo and screamer mod, which sounds insane on these cars.

I almost did the screamer add on but couldn't justify that much money for the sound. Glad I didn't. The base turbos and wastegates still sound nasty when you get on it.

 

[Vandor]

I almost did the screamer add on but couldn't justify that much money for the sound. Glad I didn't. The base turbos and wastegates still sound nasty when you get on it.

Yes, I agree the standard GT35 still sounds really good. However, I'm kind of in a unique situation because I purchased a hellion sleeper kit that was in very rough condition for very cheap. I believe the car was in a a flood or something similar because there was a lot of water where it shouldn't be. The turbos are ok but the bearings are shot and the thrust bearing is shot but I can't find a replacement thrust bearing because hellion upgraded them and that's a custom 360 degree thrust bearing in them I'm pretty sure. So I just replaced the cartridge with a Arashi Dynamics GT3582R and it looks awesome with red compressor blades bonus of ceramic bearings. The housing I send out for screamer mod because why not? I got the whole thing apart anyways. The waste gates were rough but I rebuilt them with new diaphragms from Turbosmart. They work great now and look good. The BOV's were unsavable and I got 2 new ones from turbo smart. The Scavenge pump was full of water and completely destroyed. It's a SCP-101 and the shop is in Cali. He was super nice and would rebuild it for me for 75$ plus parts but I decided to just run a turbowerx electric scavenge pump, which makes life a lot easier to install. The turbo feed fittings and check valves were ok and I cleaned them up. The intercooler is fine and just needs light cleaning. The down pipes look great. All I really need to complete the kit is the two charge pipes from the intercooler to the turbo, which I'm currently on a waiting list for. I also purchased the upgraded 4 into 1 headers, which I got and I wrapped them.

I'm videoing my progress and will probably make a youtube series on the restoration and journey of the kit on the car.

On the fuel side beefcake hooked me up and I have a fore innovation dual pump with a 1050X injectors.

I plan on having the car tune ready spring of next year.

 

[SheepDog]

I have turbo envy. Superchargers are dumb

 

[NGOT8R]

I have turbo envy. Superchargers are dumb

Uh oh! Do I sense that you may be switching to a single or TT setup in the near future?

 

[Vandor]

I have turbo envy. Superchargers are dumb

I had a superchargered corvette that was stolen and it was fun but I wanted to try something different this time.


Honestly if I could I'd just piece together my own kit. I'd run On3 vband exhaust manifold that looks amazing.

Like i don't care if these fit bad or not that's just pure freaking awesome and it's nice you get rid of that 2" choke point on the Hellions

I'd probably keep waste gates dumping open like Hellion does and get a custom downpipe made so I'm not dealing with any fitment issues like the ON3 is notorious for. I'd run an electric scavenge pump from turbowerx basic one to keep it simple. Run my own scavenge tank from SBP vented. Run a pair of GT3582R's with v band housing. I like that On3 uses larger waste gates. I would use a mitter saw with carbide blade cut the piping to make mock ups of the charge pipes and take them to the machine shop down the street to get them welded. I would hook up HKS SQV4's onto the pipes because I just love how they sound. The intercooler brackets you can make easy it's nothing special. It's literally a 90 degree straight piece of metal with two 90 degree brackets. The intercooler I'd just run Hellions with hellion intake charge pipe. All fittings and oil lines you can make with kits from Evil Energy. Check valves are easy to get. UPR makes the oil cap return fitting and just run that to an AN 8 return line from the check valve after the turbowerx pump. Just follow instructions from hellion kits to run vacuum for the BOV's. Then run a open atmosphere catch can for the crank case breathers.

Boom you got a badass custom kit.

That's just my 2 cents though and it's not worth a lot haha

 

[NGOT8R]

@Vandor what made you decide to go with a scavenging pump over tapping the oil pan or timing cover for your turbo drain? I’m looking for the best drain solution on my Gen. 3 as well.

 

[Zrussian13]

@Vandor what made you decide to go with a scavenging pump over tapping the oil pan or timing cover for your turbo drain? I’m looking for the best drain solution on my Gen. 3 as well.

If he's running the sleeper kit he's working against gravity so a typical drain won't do the job.

 

[NGOT8R]

If he's running the sleeper kit he's working against gravity so a typical drain won't do the job.

Gotcha! I feel like that may be the route I have to take. I’ll have to see though.

 

[SheepDog]

oil lines

Or go with oil-less turbos

 

[SheepDog]

Uh oh! Do I sense that you may be switching to a single or TT setup in the near future?

Im dumb like that, so maybe.

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