GTD allocations should be this week

[WildHorse]

I’m talking about what’s left in the car, not what the driver was able to so with what he had. They do it in racing all the time.

Not at 4300lbs. Still, pretty good time for a century-old layout, front V8, in a steel box big enough for a cross country trek for a family of 4-ish.

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[Bikeman315]

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Not at 4300lbs. Still, pretty good time for a century-old layout, front V8, in a steel box big enough for a cross country trek for a family of 4-ish.

You’re convinced they’re not, I’m thinking they are. We’ll see!

 

[Joshinator99]

ZR-1X with ADM will be in GTD price territory. Both the ZR-1 and GTD are impressive. To say the Vette spanked the GTD isn’t accurate though. 2-3 seconds difference on the Ring isn’t spanking anyone. Faster is faster, but as Ira said, Ford and Multimatic both have said there’s more in the GTD. Is the Vette going to put up an improved number with a pro driver? Yeah probably.

Given the weight and horsepower disadvantage to the Vette, I’d say the GTD put up the more impressive time. Several folks in the 7G forum a few months back said the ZR1 would get down around 6:30 at the Ring. That seemed to be the thought in some of Vette circles as well. If that was everyone’s expectation, the ZR1 is a disappointment (even though it’s really not and is an excellent vehicle)

ZR1 has a good bit more potential left than the GTD IMO. Lighter, more powerful, and driver mod still on the table. I think there are several seconds easy…not sure about a 6:30 though. I’ll leave that to the interwebs to decide.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Wasn’t the ZR1’s time off the pdr in the car? As opposed to the Gtd’s lap being an officially timed run. If I heard that correct, why was it done that way by GM. Anybody with any years on them will see how this isn’t an actual win for GM. The idea that the Corvette is/has been chasing a ”Mustang” number is not a win or a good look for GM. The Corvette and the Mustang should have never been an apples to apples comparison or rivalry. The other thing is, like it or not(Gtd), it set the bench mark for an American car first. It’s much easier to hit a target when you know what you’re aiming at/for. The Gtd is an expensive car, but it’s also a hand built car. The ZR1 is a production unit, huge difference. They’re not apples to apples. The Camaro is gone, the V8 Challenger/Charger are gone, the Mustang is still in production, and the Corvette is competing against a Mustang, that’s not a positive picture. As to the brand nonsense, the ones that should be thinking to themselves(Germans) is htf have the Americans shown up in our backyard at a facility we measure ourselves by and are on par with us…

 

[Inthehighdesert]

This reminds me of years ago watching Indy quals and practice. The pro in the car was complaining. The owner of the car got in it and cranked off a very good qualifying lap. Got out and said nothing wrong with the car, push the pedal down. The idea that someone that is said/seen as a pro doesn’t nexessarily make them faster then some one else that isn’t. The guy in the ZR1 was no amateur, and was for sure a “pro” level driver. It was no coincidence GM had him do the run either. If there was any hint of an issue there he wouldn’t of been in the car. A great point of reference is Isle of Man. There’s not a Motogp rider that would ever do event. They’re ”pro’s”, and the Isle guys aren’t.

ZR1 has a good bit more potential left than the GTD IMO. Lighter, more powerful, and driver mod still on the table. I think there are several seconds easy…not sure about a 6:30 though. I’ll leave that to the interwebs to decide.

 

[WildHorse]

Wasn’t the ZR1’s time off the pdr in the car? As opposed to the Gtd’s lap being an officially timed run. If I heard that correct, why was it done that way by GM. Anybody with any years on them will see how this isn’t an actual win for GM. The idea that the Corvette is/has been chasing a ”Mustang” number is not a win or a good look for GM. The Corvette and the Mustang should have never been an apples to apples comparison or rivalry. The other thing is, like it or not(Gtd), it set the bench mark for an American car first. It’s much easier to hit a target when you know what you’re aiming at/for. The Gtd is an expensive car, but it’s also a hand built car. The ZR1 is a production unit, huge difference. They’re not apples to apples. The Camaro is gone, the V8 Challenger/Charger are gone, the Mustang is still in production, and the Corvette is competing against a Mustang, that’s not a positive picture. As to the brand nonsense, the ones that should be thinking to themselves(Germans) is htf have the Americans shown up in our backyard at a facility we measure ourselves by and are on par with us…

It wasn't chasing a "mustang" . It's was chasing a supercar time.

 

[BigR4444]

So the GTD not only lost to both Corvettes, but it did so against cars that cost tens of thousands less and used drivers who weren’t hired pros.

Embarrassed in its own weight class — the GTD was marketed as a track weapon to rival European supercars, but it’s losing to American competitors costing far less.

If Ford wanted the GTD to be the “halo” car, getting beaten by two Corvettes — one nearly $150k cheaper — is a public relations nightmare.

I disagree with this.
Let's be real, the Mustang and Corvette aren't in the same weight class anymore.

With the C8 mid-engine redesign; the Corvette isn't a muscle car anymore - its a Supercar.

Its an amazing car, but I've heard plenty of people say they don't like them. Heard people say its trying too hard to be a Ferrari or a Lamborghini. Seen youtubers buy C6 or C7 ZR1s cuz they'd rather have that.

Again, phenomenal car, but its changed its identity, and im sure some Corvette enthusiasts weren't happy about that.


What they did with the GTD is impressive. They kept the hallmarks of a Mustang and still managed to give it elite performance.

Its still a front engine rear wheel drive car, with a supercharger... would you rather they did a mid engine, twin turbocharged, AWD hybrid that went around the ring 5 seconds faster?
Would that really be the difference between a win and a loss here?

 

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[WildHorse]

Let's be real, the Mustang and Corvette aren't in the same weight class anymore.

Ok, FORD clearly stated they were going after the Porsche 911 GT3 RS which weighs 3300 lbs.
So where's your argument again ?

 

[BigR4444]

Ok, FORD clearly stated they were going after the Porsche 911 GT3 RS which weighs 3300 lbs.
So where's your argument again ?

Isn't the Porsche ALSO significantly cheaper than the Mustang as well?

The point is - using the Mustang as a jumping off point is way more of a challenge. When I said "weight class" I didn't literally mean weight.

Take two teams, give them a car, and tell them to build them into something that can go around the ring in 7 mins.
Car A and Car B
Car A is lighter, lower, and mid engine.
Its gunna take more effort, engineering, and money to accomplish that goal with Car B.

I dunno, the fact that the 911 is significantly lighter makes the GTD MORE impressive in my eyes.

And let's be serious here, the GTD and ZR1x are both basically unobtainable. Only a select few get them, and in a few years they'll both be selling at auctions for more than 500k.

 

[WildHorse]

The point is -

ok, look at the Mercedes‑AMG GT Black Series front engine, rear drive, same price range, less horsepower, ran 6:48. Didn't need to be an influencer to buy one.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

It starts off as a shell that is a platform from 2015.

It wasn't chasing a "mustang" . It's was chasing a supercar time.

 

[BigR4444]

ok, look at the Mercedes‑AMG GT Black Series front engine, rear drive, same price range, less horsepower, ran 6:48. Didn't need to be an influencer to buy one.

*shrug*
I don't know what else to tell you bro... don't buy a GTD I guess...

If I could buy any one of these cars I'd buy the GTD. Cuz Im a Mustang guy. That's why I own a Mustang. That's why I'm posting in a Mustang forum.

This is how the car world has been for years... someone sets a lap record or speed record, and 5 mins later somebody else beats it... and then the next guy takes a crack.
For the first time ever, a Mustang is in that conversation.

The idea of charging people 300k for a Mustang is absolutely stupid. And theyre going to sell every single one. And if you don't understand why, well then I don't really get why you're here...

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Really, you know that’s disingenuous at best. The Black started at 325k in 2020. And you absolutely had to be connected to get one. They produced approximately 1700. Google can be a great way to expell the bs at times.

ok, look at the Mercedes‑AMG GT Black Series front engine, rear drive, same price range, less horsepower, ran 6:48. Didn't need to be an influencer to buy one.

 

[K4fxd]

Eh, if Chevy's V8 revved to 7500 rpm and made power like the Coyote i'd have bought a Camaro.

Ummm, you just described a S650

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