GT350 vs. Z/28

[Stuntman]

I think even for club racing you can order rolling caged bodies in white from Ford. I'd be surprised if anyone took a 302 street car off the dealership floor and stripped and caged it to race.

Ford has always had a good relationship and consideration for their racers and I'm sure they will offer a la carte packages to suit the needs of club racers and pros alike. So I wouldn't be too concerned what ends up on the street car. IMO the more the street car has the more it can be lobbied to make it into the racing class.

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[FATTBoss]

I think even for club racing you can order rolling caged bodies in white from Ford. I'd be surprised if anyone took a 302 street car off the dealership floor and stripped and caged it to race.

Actually, there is a guy on the Boss Mustang Facebook group who did just that! As a matter of fact he was just at Summit Point last weekend! A blaze yellow car.

 

[Sabre]

Actually, there is a guy on the Boss Mustang Facebook group who did just that! As a matter of fact he was just at Summit Point last weekend! A blaze yellow car.

Unless availability of a body in white was an issue...I'm not quite sure why someone would do that...unless he just had gobs of money to spend.

 

[Gman11Gt]

Camaro won this weekend, but it was nice to see two Mustangs finish high 2nd place is great for an old live axle outback compared to what they race against.

I can imagine the Mustang in this racing class be very competitive in the coming years with the S550.

 

[w3rkn]

I wish people would understand, that a re-purposed chassis isn't going to be as competent as a from-scratch, engineered focused chassis..

 

[Trackaholic]

I wish people would understand, that a re-purposed chassis isn't going to be as competent as a from-scratch, engineered focused chassis..

I don't understand your point with this statement. Aren't pretty much all GT style "race cars" actually re-purposed chassis? The 911, Mustang, 458, Camaro, Aston Martin are based on their street car counterparts, right? I know that the older RX-8 car was a tube-frame, but I thought most others were based on street cars. Same with rally cars.

Then you have the focused chassis cars like indy cars, F1, etc.

I don't really see what that has to do with GT350 vs. Z28 (both of which I would think count as re-purposed chassis) so I figure I'm completely missing your point.

-T

 

[JoeDogInKC]

I believe that he's trying to say that the Camaro will be using a chassis designed for another car (CTS or ATS), while the new Mustang is a new chassis specifically designed for the car and not borrowed from another car in the Ford lineup.

 

[deven2015GT]

I don't understand your point with this statement. Aren't pretty much all GT style "race cars" actually re-purposed chassis? The 911, Mustang, 458, Camaro, Aston Martin are based on their street car counterparts, right? I know that the older RX-8 car was a tube-frame, but I thought most others were based on street cars. Same with rally cars.

Then you have the focused chassis cars like indy cars, F1, etc.

I don't really see what that has to do with GT350 vs. Z28 (both of which I would think count as re-purposed chassis) so I figure I'm completely missing your point.

-T

The new Camaro is using the ATS platform... The Mustang is using the... well... it's own, brand new platform. THAT is what he means.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Instead of us guessing at what we think he meant, maybe it should be w3rkn who clarifies his own statement.


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[JoeDogInKC]

Instead of us guessing at what we think he meant, maybe it should be w3rkn who clarifies his own statement.


Norm

Fair enough, but I did say "I believe" so as to not put words in his mouth.

 

[Sabre]

I don't understand your point with this statement. Aren't pretty much all GT style "race cars" actually re-purposed chassis? The 911, Mustang, 458, Camaro, Aston Martin are based on their street car counterparts, right? I know that the older RX-8 car was a tube-frame, but I thought most others were based on street cars. Same with rally cars.

Then you have the focused chassis cars like indy cars, F1, etc.

I don't really see what that has to do with GT350 vs. Z28 (both of which I would think count as re-purposed chassis) so I figure I'm completely missing your point.

-T

Yes...at least in the Mustang's case. At some point in the normal street car assembly line, Mustangs come off the line and are sent to Multimatic for conversion to Boss 302 S and Boss 302 R....for seam welding, roll cage, race components, etc.

 

[Fenderaddict2]

Yes...at least in the Mustang's case. At some point in the normal street car assembly line, Mustangs come off the line and are sent to Multimatic for conversion to Boss 302 S and Boss 302 R....for seam welding, roll cage, race components, etc.

Isn't the current Camaro racecar a full on racecar though? I don't believe GM is playing by the sane rules as Ford, BMW and Porsche.

 

[w3rkn]

I believe that he's trying to say that the Camaro will be using a chassis designed for another car (CTS or ATS), while the new Mustang is a new chassis specifically designed for the car and not borrowed from another car in the Ford lineup.

This^

Camaro will be using a bastardize Cadillac chassis.. which one do you think is more competent..? A specifically engineered chassis for motorsports (s550), Or one lent to Camaro (ATS/CTS), because the internal finances where right..?

 

[thePill]

Road and Tracks recent test had the z28's oil temps over 300 degrees. That's crap... Crap engineering in a crap car for a crap load of money.

The Body in White Boss 302's (as well as the R and S) were more of a Pro option. There are many OEM Boss 302's that competed in the last 3 years.

Recent insiders say Magnetic Ride Control is being developed. Could be a "Carbon" type base with a stripped R as I suggested.

 

[Trackaholic]

This^

Camaro will be using a bastardize Cadillac chassis.. which one do you think is more competent..? A specifically engineered chassis for motorsports (s550), Or one lent to Camaro (ATS/CTS), because the internal finances where right..?

Thank you all for the clarification.

Regarding your point above, this could be viewed in a couple ways.

On the one hand, you could say that there might be a compromise because you are trying to satisfy two different missions with a single design.

However, is the mission between the ATS and Camaro really that different? They are both intended to be relatively small, sporty cars, RWD, longitudinally mounted engines, capable of handling high power. While it is true that the Caddy is likely to be more luxurious, that doesn't really affect its platform.

So, based on that, one could argue that sharing the platform (vastly different than re-badging BTW) is actually a benefit because the higher volume would allow better technologies to be used.

You see this from GM in several areas, from the engine sharing between the Camaro and Corvette, to the magnetic ride control, to the carbon ceramic brakes on the Z28. Even the current Camaro, which is on a non-ideal platform, has been able to leverage the benefits of that platform (such as the IRS) into a car that beats the crap out of the Mustang on a track (I'm talking about the 1LE). Of course the standard SS with the same platform has always been a bit of a pig, so the details matter greatly as well.

The Mustang is finally coming into its own with the S550, but the question remains - how much engineering and technology was eliminated from the car due to budget/schedule constraints?

I prefer the Mustang over the Camaro, but I think a case can be made for both methods of car design.

-T

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